TR King v. Pokerchips.com |
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Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:07 pm GMT by ncskiier
I prefer clay chips to any other type. I would be interested in hearing comments about TR King and pokerchips.com chips considering they are possibly the only chips that actually make custom clays for the public.
I have samples of both and have noticed a few differences:
1. The TR's seem a little heavier, I don't have a scale.
2. The TR's are definitely a little smaller. Compared to the pokerchip.com, NJ ceramics and I assume any other 39mm chip.
3. Pokerchip.com chips are made of a much harder material. The TR's seem a bit more plasticy, not in a bad way though.
4. Pokerchip.com chips have a larger more uniform edge spot while the TR's are much smaller but are available with double spots.
5. The inlays on the pokerchip.com chips are much better. I have never seen one off-center, unlike TR King. And you can get full color, while TR King only does 2 color at the basic custom price.
6. They both use very nice molds, imo. I prefer the horsehead, of the pokerchip.com options.
Overall, I say that the fit and finish on both are very close. I prefer the double spotting option of the TR King chips but the inlays of the pokerchip.com chips. I would love to have either.
As far as price: For a smaller quantity, I guess you'd have to go with pokerchips.com for .95/chip plus $50 art. But if someone were to need a larger quantity, say for a group buy, which I would definitely be in on, TR King offers their chips for .85/chip (min. 5000) with no art fee as long as it's a two color design. That is for a double edge spot, single is .75/chip.
Anyone have experience with these chips and which to add something?
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Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:17 pm GMT by Nate PT
I just got a set of TR King chips (not custom) and was very impressed with them. They feel very nice, I like the feel better then my pokerchips.com samples. They stack really nice but I almost wish they were a tiny bit slicker like the pokerchips.com. Mine just have hot stamping so i cant talk inlays but they are a very good quality chip. If I go custom I think I would go with TRKing probably but I would want more pokerchips.com samples to see how well they shuffle/stack etc. TRKing prob wont take as long as pokerchips.com to get the chips to you if time is a factor. HTH
-Nate
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:38 pm GMT by ncskiier
Did you notice that they are smaller? How long did they take with the hot stamping?
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:49 pm GMT by Nate PT
You can kind of notice, but usually only if its next to a pokerchips.com chip or any of the chips that are a little bigger. Ive only had one buddy notice that they were smaller without another chip around. I didn't have them custom made I bought some of the Casbah Club chips so it didnt take long at all because theyre pre-manufactured. They dont have edge spots but I got a good deal and I couldn't be happier with the chips. Did you see Hoefler's set of custom TRKing chips?? They look incredible, Im sure he'll chime in on this thread once he sees it.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:50 pm GMT by Nate PT
Heres the link just in case you havent seen them, I dont think you can say no to them after seeing these chips.
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t5313/post-your-custom-chip-pics-here
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:58 pm GMT by warewulf619
They are a bit smaller, but it shouldn't matter -- they will still take up the same room in chip racks because they are the same thickness as other chips.
warewulf
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:06 pm GMT by unmaster
VERY interesting thread this...
I'm currently also in the position where i'm choosing between TRKings and Pokerchip.coms. I have samples of them both. 10 Pokerchips.com with varying molds, colors and edgespots, both hotstamped and custom inlays and 9 TRKings, the stock casino inlaid ones in varying denominations. I so far have come to the following conclusions...or observations:
LOOKS:
Well, the TRKings look beautiful, at least color-wise. Crisp and vivid colors on both the base and edgespots whereas the PC.coms are somewhat dull in comparison. (Especially the white, which actually looks more like gray in my opinion) This is probably due to the brassdust they add to the "dough". The edgespots on the TRKings are imo a bit on the small side. I prefer the bigger ones on PC.coms chips. On the other hand one can get multiple colors and variable number of edgespots, which isn't possible with PC.Coms (Unless you are as lucky as FMINUS who got some PC.com chips made for a casino that has all that!)
Regarding the inlays, i can't really tell any difference. I spoke with a person at TRKing that explained to me that they do screen all chips they make and that off-centered inlays isn't supposed to be shipped. They do on the other hand sell those as a 2:nd quality chips for $0.50 each and that is perhaps why they may have got that undeserving reputation. I imagine that those also are the ones shipped as samples.
SIZE:
Well... the TRKings are smaller...on all accounts. They are thinner as well as they have a slightly smaller radius. This is perhaps not a big deal, but for some reason i am slightly disturbed by it.
SOUND:
I've sat long hours playing with these samples. Shuffling and throwing them around and in piles just to get to know them, and in my opinion the TRKings sound slightly more like plastik. There is a little more "click" than "Clack" in them. The PC's sound better. Also when shuffling i get the carachteristic sound i'm used to hear from tv or elsewhere.
FEEL:
This is the tricky part. If we start with the surface of the chips, the TRKings feel really great. I think they use the finer "linen" surface on the stock casino chips and that feels really good. As i said earlier i had varying chips from PC.com. Different molds and inlays etc... What struck me was that one of the custom inlay chips had the same, completely sleek, linen surface, but the other 9 didn't. I also could feel the edge of the inlay on a couple of the other chips, which i couldn't on that chip. So if i compared that chip to the TRKings, they would be about equal. The other PC.com chips hade a rougher surface, not at all as nice as that single chip. It almost felt like it had a coating of something that the others didn't have. Hard to explain really.
Even though the PC's all were slightly different i enjoyed playing with them more than the TRKings. They shuffled better and felt easier and nicer to handle. On this account only i was almost prepared to chose the PC.com's but since i saw Hoefflers, i've decided to really think this through. I, contrary to ncskiier, think the PC.coms feel slightly heavier than the TRKings. This might not be the case, but that is how i felt it.
OVERALL:
This is a really tough decision. They both have their pros and cons and there really isn't something that makes one or the other "better" in any sense. If multicolor is a must then you have made your choice, but
other than that, it's mostly a question of taste.
As my budget on this is ~$1000 i've also contemplated in choosing the plain (no inlay or hotstamped) chips with edgespots from Pokerchips.com retailing at $0.50 each. That would give me a set of 2000 instead of 1000 as i initially was set on. Even though they might not be as flashy as the custom inlays, i still would have a set of some of the finest chips on the market today, and a big set also.
Currently i'm leaning towards the PC.coms, but i haven't really made up my mind yet.
Oh yes, another thing that might be of interest is also the companies themselves. I was at first treated very nicely by PC.com, but the more i corresponded with them, the worse it got. They also charged me $25 only for shipping of the samples (and an additional $7 for the samples themselves) and it took 2 weeks for them to arrive. TRKing on the other hand was very professional. They didn't charge me anything for chipping, but they wanted $10 for the samples. When they wouldn't accept Visa from International customers it became a problem which they quickly solved by sending the samples to me, totally free of charge!! WORLDCLASS! I will send them the money anyway, but to even do that is rare and very impressing. For that alone i was almost willing to lay an order on the spot! 
Well... That was my, very amateur-ish, observations. I hope it's of some use.
Regards
/Mike
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:08 pm GMT by unmaster
| warewulf619 wrote: | They are a bit smaller, but it shouldn't matter -- they will still take up the same room in chip racks because they are the same thickness as other chips.
warewulf |
No, they aren't!
When stacking 9 of my PC.coms next to the 9 TRKings, the TRKing-stack is slightly lower, so they must be a tad bit thinner. How this would affect stacking in a chiprack i'm not sure as i only have 9 of them, but they are indeed thinner.
/Mike
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:27 pm GMT by ncskiier
unmaster- thanks alot for your input. I've come to the conclusion that...
...I need more samples.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:30 pm GMT by gmunny
| Quote: | | PC.coms are somewhat dull in comparison. (Especially the white, which actually looks more like gray in my opinion) This is probably due to the brassdust they add to the "dough". |
Mike,
Just to let you know, I have a set of ASM horsehead chips (same as PC.com) that looked dull when they were new. After playing with them a bit, the colors really come out. I think it has something to do with the chips absorbing the oil on your hands. I think there was a thread about it awhile back, but can't seem to find it. Goodluck.
G$
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:36 pm GMT by ncskiier
If the customs from TRk have centered inlays I would probably go with them. I like that the inlay is larger and I even like the smaller spots with a total lack of uniformity.
This is obviously the next logical group buy. I'm in as long as someone else does the work. I'm easy to please. Something simple, unique, and classic. Two color inlay is fine but I have to have double edge spots. Also, I'm in the denom crowd.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:06 pm GMT by AsiaKid
I am in for 1000 from TR Kings if anyone else wants to as well. the slightly smaller and thinner kinda bugs me..can someone actually find out the diameter for the TR Kings..just a ruler will be good.
I can also do the design if we had enough pple...or just pool a few deisngs together from the parties and jsut vote on that.
One thing though is that i dunno if i can do denominations as i want weird denominations
10,25,100, and a few 500
:D
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:16 pm GMT by ncskiier
I'm getting 37mm. I took a pic of a trking against a pc.com for comparison. But I just got my camera and I'm not too good with it plus I don't know how to post it.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:31 pm GMT by Nate PT
I would also be in for a group buy for sure. I got this from the TRKing site:
"Each chip is hand pressed in a fifteen cavity mold and then turned on a small bed lathe to ensure total consistency. After your personal design theme is hot stamped into the chip, it is then hand scraped and polished. We then individually inspect each chip to ensure our very high standards."
With my chip set from TRKing sometimes when i put them in stacks of 20 one stack will be a tiny bit taller then another. I will go play around with them and see if its just one of the colors of chips or something. Its not really noticeable until you put another stack on top of that and its a little bit lopsided. It doesn't bother me that much but definetly something worth checking into. If someone has some design themes I would maybe be willing to design the chips but I dont want to commit to that yet. If there is some real interest we should start throwing some ideas for themes/chip and edge spot colors in this thread.
-Nate
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:32 pm GMT by ncskiier
I get 38mm on all of my other chips so it's only a difference of one mm. Also, I put them in one of my racks and you really can't tell the diff.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:47 pm GMT by ncskiier
There are so many different combinations when you consider two edge spots. Referring to hoefler's chips, I like his whites and light blues. Also, one of the samples I have is a gray chip with brown spots, looks awesome.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:53 pm GMT by Nate PT
If you email me some pics of your chips Ill post them and some pics of mine so maybe we can get some ideas going. Its a lot easier to visualize with some pictures obviously. PM me if you want to send the pictures and Ill get you my email address. Anyone got any ideas for a theme??
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:42 pm GMT by ncskiier
Just to get us started. I like the idea of using an old casino name. i.e. The Mint, High Sierra, whatever. Or a fictitious name. If it were just me I would definitely go with a Tahoe area casino, real or not, because it is my favorite place in the world. What do you think?
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:49 pm GMT by PLZ
Check out this previous thread in this forum:
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t5524/pokerchipscom--mandarin-red
I have purchased 2300 chips at various times from pokerchips.com, and I catalog my experiences with them as well as post pictures of my chips.
It is accurate that the brass shavings added to the chips may make the colors a little less vibrant initially, but it's also true that with use the colors get more saturated, probably due to absorbing oils from being handled. I actually like the brass shavings and I love the feel and sound of these chips, but you should read the entire thread to get the whole picture.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:06 pm GMT by PLZ
Also check out this thread:
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t4770/how-are-horsehead-chips?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:36 pm GMT by ncskiier
Weight:
TR King 10.1g
Pokerchips.com 8.6-9.3g
-pokerchipreviews.com
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:38 pm GMT by Nate PT
I like the idea of an old casino name, dont know if we would run into copyright issues but if so we could make a fictional casino. What about denominations, I usually use $5, $25, $100, and $500 chips because we play tournaments pretty much exclusively, what does everyone else need? I would assume we would probably need a $.25 and $1 for sure and someone wanted a $10 as well. I dont know how it would affect the cost to have a lot of different denominations. What would everyone want? Does anyone know if we would be charged more for more denominations??
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:51 pm GMT by ncskiier
Where's Hoefler? Sure could use his expertise.
I would need a $1 for sure. And possibly a $2, I play some cash games. I also like have a "wild chip" that can be used for a .50 small blind or whatever extra denom I would need. Possibly just put 50 on it w/0 the "$". I don't see a need for a .25.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:25 am GMT by unmaster
Holy c*** this thread took off! 
15 posts since mine, 3 hours ago!
I'm a bit surprised that the TRKings weigh more than the PC.com's... I would have guessed it would be the other way around. How do you weigh them btw? I have a small scale in my kitchen, but that is just accurate to increaments of 2grams. No tenth of a gram there...
Well... i really, really like the TRKings...as well as the PC.com's so a group by is ofcourse interesting.
I have a small problem though. I'm from Sweden. Being a Swede isn't a problem, generally speaking , but i wouldn't know how to conduct this group buy, with shipping and payment and all that...
On another note i would also require non-currency specific denominations so i could use them in my cash games. Eg 50 in stead of $50.
These requirements may make me unsuitable for this group-buy, or what say you all?
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:55 am GMT by AsiaKid
I can live with non $ symbol chips.
I hada theme i was drawing for my Pokerchips.com chips ( i was gonna order from them, but the wait time was really making me hesitate). I was going to use 5 chinese characters each one representing the different forces..or was tha 4
i kno one was fire (red chip), one was water (dark blue chip), earth (Brown chip, black), Wind (light blue? white?) and Metal(grey, black?).
With very nicely drawn out calligrapy like characteds it could look good i have a very rough crappy drawing of it somewhere.but i duno where to host it.
its kinda interesting.cuz then then each chip is veyr symbolic.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:49 am GMT by Guest
Greetings all. I've been lurking here for moths but thought I'd jump in here since it's a subject near and dear to my heart. As fate would have it I've been working on a custom design for a while. At present I have a set of 1,000 edge spoted hot stamped Paulsons that I got 7 years ago which I absolutely love. The problem is since they (CGI/Paulson) don't sell to the public anymore I can't make some much needed expansion/alterations to my set. It's like buying a piece of technolgy that's gone obsolete.
First off to the matter of TR King v. ASM (aka pokerchips.com). I've had samples of both for years and they both are great chips. I'm a clay or nothing man. With Paulson out of the running this is about the only game in town, Blue Chip Co. and ChipCo (not truly clay but I always lump 'em in with clay) excepted. I like a really traditional looking chip. Something that could've come right from the 60s with Frank and the Boys. The ASM chips with the 1/4" single color edgespots in two, three, four, five, and six spots are stupendous. Think of "Rounders" (the movie not the ceramic chips out there now) or the Palmas Club Casino chips. Simple, sleek, elegant.
http://rounderscardclub.com/rcc-art/palmas/pccall12.jpg
The weight, texture, handling is superb. As some have commented the colors are not as vibrant as other chips but that's actually something that appeals to me. It seems a bit more classic. These are some of my all time favorite body/edge styles. I wish they were still made:
http://www.marlowcasinochips.com/links/genetrimble/borland/borlandfantasy.htm
Again classic.
The thing that has always held me back on ASM chips is the restrictions on edge spots. I've I'm going to plop down a Grand on some cheques I want a wee bit of variety. I've spoken with another member here via E-mail about this and it's interesting to note the style I desire is one that is specifically not desired by casinos because it's easier to counterfiet. Counterfeiting of manufacture for home games is not usually a big issue, but running in of chips is. More on that later.
Now onto TR King. This are great chips too. The colors are brighter but it still is a classic chip. There were some examples from the 30s up on eBay recently. The small edge spots, while not normally my preference, are very tasteful. The fact that they will do multi edge/multi colors is a big vote in their favor. They seem a bit shinier and the sound is a bit higher, more plink than plonk. Still they're a great chip. They don't sound plastic to me at all.
Expensive to be sure, though I think anyone who is serious about their chips know they're going to have to part with some cash to get the goods. The last estimate I got was a for a four color set, two color printing on insert for $1.50 chip all in (for 1,000 chips, it's not worth getting less as it's $3.00/chip for 500). They will go down to .70/chip for orders over 5,000. Whoever promoted a group order has it right, it's about the only way to go. As long as the group is big enough to get the discount, but not so large as to have the chips available to everyone (security issue) you're golden.
As I've said they will do multi edge but I'm not sure what their restrictions are, if any. In the example on their website it seems like there might be some wider latitude:
http://www.trking.com/inlaid.gif
Some ideas that had been kicking around in my head were these. In my regular Thursday game we have three card rooms (home games all) respresented. I was thinking about trying to get a big order placed for the same chip bodies and edge spots but have semi custom insert. That is the basic insert would be the same but the name of each card room would be different. My understanding of the manufacturing process is not complete for each chip maker, but if I understand correctly they make the chips, than affix the insert to the center and seal it over with some sort of pvc cover with is textured (the linen finish). I though about approaching TRK or ASM and asking if they'd do a big 5K+ order but with this slight variation in insert allowed. Failing that just keep the same insert after all I know they guys from the other games and we wouldn't be running chips in on each othter.
I've also thought about seeing if I could get a big order if ASM would do the variation in edge spots and I'd get something made like the Borland chips above, which frankly are so old school shit hot I can barely stand it. They'd probably not do it but it's worth asking for a big order.
Elsewise it looks like TRKing is the only way to go.
Blue chip is out there but I've heard mixed results with their customer service. FWIW I've gotten quick replies from ASM and TRKing in the past.
As far as my own situation I run a weekly game. Well weekly when I can get enough folks out. You ever notice how one week it's twelve want in and next you can't get three? But I digrees. My game is a $50 buy in ring game with unlimited rebuys. The biggest chip in play is $5, though I could use a $25 from time to time. So we're looking at $500-$1000/night in play depending. Peanuts on some levels, but not chump change on another. I certainly don't need infrared counterfeit detection with tracking computer chips intalled, but I also don't want something anyone can order by the pound of off eBay. In addition I do tournies from time to time, maybe twice a month. For the first few years of the card room (ok home game) it was all regulars well known to me, but in the past couple of years what with the explosion (jumping the shark?) of poker that we're all experiencing I have a lot more new faces coming round. Hey it's great and I've never really had any serious problems, but I want to keep it that way. I've been using my Paulson set for cash and tourney but there is a concern that some could slip a tourney chip or two into there pocket and come back on cash game day for a little bonus. I'm pretty scrupulous about counting out at night but I've really been wanting to move to separate sets for each game (ring/tourney) just to remove that one small worry. I've even swicthed the tourney levels to $100+ value chips because my ring game will never have more than a green in play.
Anyhow I've rambled on and on, just thought I'd throw these jumbled thoughts out there. I'll try posting some images design thoughts later for whatever it's worth.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:51 am GMT by MeridianFC
I posted that up there and thought I was logged in. Strange.
My apologies for the grammar and spelling errors but I can't get back in to tidy it up. 
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:02 pm GMT by DaBear
| Quote: | The ASM chips with the 1/4" single color edgespots in two, three, four, five, and six spots are stupendous. Think of "Rounders" (the movie not the ceramic chips out there now) or the Palmas Club Casino chips. Simple, sleek, elegant.
http://rounderscardclub.com/rcc-art/palmas/pccall12.jpg
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I agree with you 100%. I have a little over 1900 of the Palmas Club chips with the 1/4" edge spots. Same as in the picture with an additional $5000 chip(yellow chip with 4 double 1/4" edge spots purple&grey). I just love them.
Not really adding anything to the thread, just bragging a little, sorry.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:48 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Did you get your Palmas chips off of eBay or from Spinettis? The seller omahamatt would go as low as $1.40 a chip but I've heard Spinettis could better it. Apparently there are only 30K Palmas chips out there. I was going to get some Palmas for a tourney set and use the $100, $500 but I'd really need at least a $1K chip. The $5K chips look fantastic too. It's rumored that there are $1K and $2.5K chips. I had thought about maybe getting a set of the Palmas in the $25, $100, and $500 and just using them as .25, $1.00, $5.00 but I'd really need a $25 chip ($2.5K). Plus I'm kind of sick of having to tell new people to my game what the values are. I'm am ready for denominated cheques.
I have a sample set of the Palmas right next to my computer now. They are very fine chips indeed. The $5 and $500 are stunning. Though I do really like the 1/2" spots, the 1/4" just look cleaner.
Outside the Borland chips I linked to above, getting a (semi)custom set like the Palmas would be my ideal. Well Paulson excluded for obvious reasons.
I meant to comment earlier on someone who mentioned that sometimes a chip or two wouldn't be perfect. I think with true clay you often get this and I find it part of the charm. As long as they have bollixed up the thing completely I can live with it.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:01 pm GMT by ncskiier
A couple of other things to consider:
Pokerchips.com said that for an order of 1000+ there is a 10% discount which puts them at the same price as TRKing.
Secondly, I heard back from Dennis at TRKing at he stated that the chips with the off-center inlay are "casino quality" and that's basically what you get. I would love to hear form Hoefler about his chips. I didn't notice any off-center inlays in his pics.
So what do you think is more important, quality inlays (full color), or multi-color edgespots? Or is there another quality that I'm missing?
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:08 pm GMT by MeridianFC
If I could get this body/edge style with custom insert, I'd be giving somebody my credit card number today. But that's just me.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:38 pm GMT by Grumbler
I looked, felt, shuffled and messed around with both the TRKing and ASM chips from Pokerchips.com and for me it was a no brainer. I chose the ASM chips because I liked them better. I took one of each chip to the post office and had them weighted and the TRKing weighted 10g and the PC.c chip weighed 9g.
The TRKing chip is smaller and thinner but unless you are mixing chips I don't really see where this would matter. My samples of the TR also had off center inlays but they could send out these "misaligned" chips as samples. I had double edge spots put on one and singe on another but preferred the ASM edge spots.
With 1000 chips, as previously reported, you can get a 10% discount. Full color is $50 per complete order. They will only do the 3 edge spots as shown on their web site. Shipment time for custom chips is usually 10 to 12 weeks from the time you approve the art work. I am hoping I can get mine in by Christmas and so far it looks like I will. The people there have been very courteous and I am calling them every two weeks "check" up the status.
Just FYI
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:50 pm GMT by DaBear
| Quote: | | Did you get your Palmas chips off of eBay or from Spinettis? The seller omahamatt would go as low as $1.40 a chip but I've heard Spinettis could better it. Apparently there are only 30K Palmas chips out there. I was going to get some Palmas for a tourney set and use the $100, $500 but I'd really need at least a $1K chip. The $5K chips look fantastic too |
I got mine from Spinettis at .95/chip for 1000 chips. Went back later for more, glad I asked about the higher denomination.
I have an order in with Pokerchips.com for some $1000 chips. The inlay won't be exactly the same for copyright reasons, but at least they will fill the gap.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:02 pm GMT by Nate PT
I'd really like to see your designs meridian. I also want a classic looking chip like the Palms ones. For people potentially interested in a group buy what are you guys thinking as far as pc.com or trking? I personnaly would rather get the TR King for the multi colored edge spots and quicker arrival, but it would be nice to choose a mold, what mold would everyone want from pc.com. It looks like everyone likes the horsehead mold so far.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:23 pm GMT by MeridianFC
| DaBear wrote: | | The inlay won't be exactly the same for copyright reasons, but at least they will fill the gap. |
I've been curious about this. The Casino doesn't exist as far as I can tell. The chips are out there in the world so I don't think an reasonable proper casino would want 'em, why don't ASM contineu to make 'em and sell 'em as a fantasy set?
Nate, I like both ASM and TRKing. They're both classic chip makers, the original companies have been in business for years. I do like multi colored edge spots, but I also like multi numbersed.
I'll try to post this one idea I had up (it's only a word doc at present). On of my regular players is a professional graphic designer and did a first draft of some chips I was going to do with ChipCo, but I decided against that but I still have the illustrator files.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:30 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Before I forget, some have commented that they think TRKing chips are smaller than ASM, I think it's the other way around I think ASM chips are slightly large. They're both supposed to be 39mm, but the ASM chips seem ever so slightly bigger than all the Paulsons, TR King, Blue Chip, Chipco, etcs I own. I have some ASMs, Blue Chip (nevada jacks), and ceramics (again nj's). The ASMs are bigger than the Blue chips but almost the same as the ceramics. FWIW.
I don't think it matters as long as you have all the same.
K.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:37 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
Meridian is RIGHT about ASM being just a tad bigger maybe .5 mm. But the TR Kings are a bit smaller than the standard.
ASM has GREAT Quality Control, better than any other company (Inlcuding PAULSON!). The inlays are mirrored, the edge spotting is always at the same directions, and almost all the inlays on centered. but they are a bit too light and brittle for me, they are really light and thin chips!
The TRKing to me just look old. I just really dont like them. They are a bit too shiny and slick. They have that vintage look. But they stack great and are a heavy chip.
My personal favorite is Paulson (of course I am biased) simply because I believe they are the best all around chip. And when you stack or shuffle Paulson chips, the sound is unmatchable!
I also LOVE the NJ Clays, but they suffer from a little quality control issues from Blue Chip and are a little light. (off centered inlays)
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:55 pm GMT by MeridianFC
| PaulsonChips wrote: |
My personal favorite is Paulson (of course I am biased) simply because I believe they are the best all around chip. And when you stack or shuffle Paulson chips, the sound is unmatchable!
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I don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't love Paulson. But just like you won't find too many people who don't like Ferraris, Dom Perignon, and flopping a straight flush, it ain't out there for us to have. At least not anymore.
Well your fine Vineyards excepted.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:02 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
hey hey hey!! Thats not true! I have Vineyards AND Paulson Isthmus chips for sale! Come and get them!
I am keeping 1500 piece set of each for myself. The guys tend to favor the Isthmus but whenever there are ladies in the game, they always request the "grape chips" HAHA
Good analogy though!  Im enjoying this!
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:08 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I'm utterly kicking myself for not getting custom inserts when I got my Paulsons all those years ago. Though I still need more. I've been scoring the web for the blue body, 4 x 1/4" sea foam edge chips for months. And to think I paid about .65/chip. Oh, man.
I'm probably just going to make my Paulson set the tourney cheques if I can get an acceptable custom job.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:37 pm GMT by warewulf619
Has anyone checked with ASM/Kardwell to see if they would give a better deal, do different edge spot etc? I know their the same as pokerchips.com, but who knows. The patterns on the pussycat chips are sweet! They wouldn't do something like that if you order 10,000 chips? Money talks!
I probably wont go in on it, but then again, that's what I said about the suits chips...
warewulf
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:51 pm GMT by unmaster
| MeridianFC wrote: | Before I forget, some have commented that they think TRKing chips are smaller than ASM, I think it's the other way around I think ASM chips are slightly large. They're both supposed to be 39mm, but the ASM chips seem ever so slightly bigger than all the Paulsons, TR King, Blue Chip, Chipco, etcs I own. I have some ASMs, Blue Chip (nevada jacks), and ceramics (again nj's). The ASMs are bigger than the Blue chips but almost the same as the ceramics. FWIW.
I don't think it matters as long as you have all the same.
K. |
Well.. i wouldn't know about that. I have compared them with both chipcos and BlueChips (and even 11,5g plastics). I can pretty much mix them all up without feeling any difference in size whatsoever. The TRKings are the ones that stick out. They are noticably smaller. Using only TRKings i'm certain it isn't an issue, but they do deviate from "standard"... if one could call it that.
From what i've understood this is due to some polishing/sanding process they apply to get a good finish? I think i read that in some thread somewhere.
Nonetheless they are great chips, but if I had to choose this very minute i'd go with the ASM's. Can't really explain why, they just feel better when handled. Shuffling them just feels and sounds exactly right.
Anyone else reacted on the surface-issue i wrote about in an earlier post in this thread? I've got 10 different samples from ASM. Different molds, colors, with and without inlays and hotstamping. One of the custom inlays feels much better than all the rest. A more ...eh "refined" surface, one could say. I'm having a hard time explaining what i mean. I have several chips with inlays from ASM, but one of them feels much better. Perhaps there are several options of the texture of the surface?
/Mike
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:39 am GMT by Guest
From the TR King web site
| Quote: | | Each chip is hand pressed in a fifteen cavity mold and then turned on a small bed lathe to ensure total consistency. After your personal design theme is hot stamped into the chip, it is then hand scraped and polished. We then individually inspect each chip to ensure our very high standards |
Might explain the slightly smaller size.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:27 am GMT by unmaster
| Anonymous wrote: | From the TR King web site
| Quote: | | Each chip is hand pressed in a fifteen cavity mold and then turned on a small bed lathe to ensure total consistency. After your personal design theme is hot stamped into the chip, it is then hand scraped and polished. We then individually inspect each chip to ensure our very high standards |
Might explain the slightly smaller size. |
Yes, that is what i had read.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:01 pm GMT by MeridianFC
| warewulf619 wrote: | Has anyone checked with ASM/Kardwell to see if they would give a better deal, do different edge spot etc? I know their the same as pokerchips.com, but who knows. The patterns on the pussycat chips are sweet! They wouldn't do something like that if you order 10,000 chips? Money talks!
I probably wont go in on it, but then again, that's what I said about the suits chips...
warewulf |
There's no reason to deal with Kardwell, they just pass on the job to ASM. They (Kardwell) had pictures of various edge spot chips in their catalog so I E-mailed them but they had the same restrictions.
If we get enough interest I'll E-mail ASM direct and see if they'll make something like that for an order of 10K+.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:39 pm GMT by Nate PT
It'd be pretty tuff to get enough interest for 10k+ chips I think, but its worth an email to them I'd say.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:23 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Actually it'd only have to be 8K because I'd get at least 2K myself. Several of the ChipCO group buys have been in the 7K range. I mean to me a set is at least 500 chips with 1K being preferred.
I'll go ahead an E-mail ASM and see what they say. It may be a non starter.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:07 pm GMT by warewulf619
| Nate PT wrote: | | It'd be pretty tuff to get enough interest for 10k+ chips I think, but its worth an email to them I'd say. |
You never know! I think it depends a lot on what you do for the graphic, colors, etc. The suits chips now have around 24 people ordering. Once you post the first rough proofs you might have a bunch of people wanting to jump in.
warewulf
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:36 pm GMT by coyote
I'd be interested in a group order through either TR or pokerchips.com
denominations are a must for me though.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:01 pm GMT by galderon
I would also be interested in a group order, depending on the design. Denominations are a must for me as well, and I'd also like a 25 cent chip if possible.
Posted Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:24 am GMT by MasterShake
I might have interest in a group order, but don't hold me to it. I'd say I'm only about 10% likely to get new chips right now. I'm fine with denominations. I'd only be interested in $25, $100, and $500 chips.
Posted Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:28 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
Depending on the price, I would like to get into this too. 
Posted Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:26 pm GMT by tabascojrc
| Nate PT wrote: | | It'd be pretty tuff to get enough interest for 10k+ chips I think, but its worth an email to them I'd say. |
You'd be surprised how many people will end up buying in. Its more a problem with people scared of a group buy. I set up my group buy through an online retailer and the intereset continued to grow to about 10,000 chips.
Posted Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:32 pm GMT by MasterShake
| tabascojrc wrote: | | Nate PT wrote: | | It'd be pretty tuff to get enough interest for 10k+ chips I think, but its worth an email to them I'd say. |
You'd be surprised how many people will end up buying in. Its more a problem with people scared of a group buy. I set up my group buy through an online retailer and the intereset continued to grow to about 10,000 chips. |
Doesn't hurt that you had an outstanding design. :D
Posted Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:21 pm GMT by unmaster
I'd be in for 1000-1500 chips. I can accept denominations but i would prefer non currency prefixed like "50" instead of "$50" and "0.50" for "50c"...
My budget is ~$1k so my amount is depending on the price we get...
/Mike
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:29 am GMT by Guest
id be in!
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:31 pm GMT by ncskiier
Design ideas? Let's hear it. Mine was a simple classic casino name with denom. Similar to Bellagio except with a simple background pic of some sort.
I know I started this thread but someone else will have to take charge of the design. I have ideas but wouldn't know the first thing about generating a design.
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:19 pm GMT by Fat Tony
i might be interested, depending on how the design turns out. i kinda regret not getting in on the "suits" buy. those chips have really grown on me. so if the design is good, i'm there.
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:38 pm GMT by dice702
Alot of people do not know that Paul Ende got his start in the gaming business working at TR King. In my opinion TR King chips are just as good as the chips from Paul-Son.
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:50 pm GMT by ncskiier
| dice702 wrote: | | Alot of people do not know that Paul Ende got his start in the gaming business working at TR King. In my opinion TR King chips are just as good as the chips from Paul-Son. |
Interesting. I believe I have seen their molds used on some casino chips. Does anyone know what casinos have used their chips.
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:02 pm GMT by dice702
Many old casinos use their molds. They had a problem with NV Gaming and are no longer allowed to sell casino equiptment in Nevada. If TR King was still supplying Las Vegas everyone on this board would be much more interested in their chips.
www.apachepokerchips.com
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:31 pm GMT by ncskiier
All of those chips look great. A simple classic design like those would be perfect. I understand we are limited to round inlays. I like the Trop the best, a simple background pic with the denoms on each side. And I think you can do alot with just two colors but full color may not be much more at our quantity.
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:59 pm GMT by Nate PT
I agree ncskiier, I like the simple Trop design and I think we should go with the multi colored edge spots for sure. Like I said before if I'm given ideas I can at least try to make a good design unless someone with experience in design jumps in and offers, When we decide on a basic design we can decide on two or full color. There are requests for a lot of denominations so far, I dont know how it will effect cost to have all these different denominations, but lets see what we need. I think the obvious ones are:
$.25
$1
$5
$25
$100
$500
$1000
What other denominations does everyone want? We cant get a ton or else it will probably cost a lot more but maybe someone knows how it will effect the cost.
Posted Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:51 pm GMT by Fortitude253
| dice702 wrote: | | Many old casinos use their molds. They had a problem with NV Gaming and are no longer allowed to sell casino equiptment in Nevada. If TR King was still supplying Las Vegas everyone on this board would be much more interested in their chips. |
What type of problem did they have with the Gaming Commission? Can you elaborate for us?
Thanks....
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:02 am GMT by galderon
| Nate PT wrote: | I think the obvious ones are:
$.25
$1
$5
$25
$100
$500
$1000
What other denominations does everyone want? We cant get a ton or else it will probably cost a lot more but maybe someone knows how it will effect the cost. |
Those denominations would work for me. For the main chip colors, I'd prefer standard colors, but multi-colored edge spots would be very cool. I'd like to see how the price breaks down as well, and what ideas everyone has for the inlay. Unlike unmaster, I'd prefer having the $ and cents sign on the chips, but we'll have to see how they look. :D
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:07 am GMT by MeridianFC
I have a couple of designs I've been working on that I think are appropriately generic (generic in the sense that it would work for anyone). Graphically I'm trying for something more golden age (i.e 60s) of Vegas. One of my regulars (who happens to be a fellow co worker) is a top notch graphic designer. He's been out sick so I haven't had a chance to get him to tweek the art I have and convert it to .jpg so I can post it. If anyone wants to see the direction I'm heading in I can send you the basic word document that served as starting point. I also have an example of some preliminary art when we were thinking of doing ChipCo. You can see some stuff he's monkeyed around with here:
http://www.squished.com/pines/pokerW1.html
PM me and I'll give you my E-mail addy.
As far as denominations I agree with the:
25¢
$1
$5
$25
$100
$500
$1000
IMHO the interesting but not oft used $10, $50 are not neccessary (hell some would say the $50 is unlucky). I can see using a 50¢ piece but if we're going to have one low it might as well be the quarter. A $5000 might be nice but not vital. As far as myself I'd be using the 25¢ - $25 for ring games and everythign else for tourney.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:25 pm GMT by coyote
I also would definitely prefer the $ on the denomination....
just my 2 cents! I'd be looking to buy around 600 chips.
I'm in the early stages of a custom purchase through pokerchips.com, but if a cool design were come up with through TRKing, I'd cancel.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:43 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I thought I'd reiterate that it really is a push between TRKing and ASM for me. I'd be quite happy with either as each maker has some element that I like. I've played with both, I enjoy both it's all a matter of who will do what I (or we) want.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:44 pm GMT by galderon
| MeridianFC wrote: | | I thought I'd reiterate that it really is a push between TRKing and ASM for me. |
Same here. I like the idea of multi-color edge spots, however. Does anyone have a comparison of the durability of the inlays of each?
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:24 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I've had samples of each for years and I can pretty safely say unless you're going to play poker with bolt cutters you don't have to worry about the insert on either. If you're playing poker with boltcutters you have other issues.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:05 pm GMT by Nate PT
Has anyone talked to pc.com or trking about the group buy at all yet? I think we should compile a list of what we want out of the chips (design, edge spots, denominations, and of course cost) and just see which company will do a better job. So far it seems like everyone wants pretty much the same things but if everyone posts what is most important to them about the chips it will be much easier to decide on who we should have make them. What are the pro's and con's of each company to you guys? I could care less which company we choose because theyre both great chips.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:32 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I sent this to ASM:
| Quote: | I am heading up a group of several individuals that are looking to make a bulk purchase of around 10,000 chips. We were looking for a variation on these:
http://www.marlowcasinochips.com/links/genetrimble/borland/borlandfantasy.htm
which it's my understanding you've made in the past. We would be working with a different color scheme and unique inserts which we would supply the art for, and would use one of your standard molds (horsehead, A, circle squared, etc.), . It's my understanding that you have a restriction on edge spot patterns for non casinos, would this still be the case for an order of this size?
Providing you're able to do this job what would the approximate price per chip be?
Regards,
Kelly Young |
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:39 pm GMT by ncskiier
I don't know everyone else's feelings on Blue Chip, but you may want to add them to the mix. I'm sure you're all familiar with Italianstang's (twoplustwo) experience with them but he says Fedex confirms that his chips are on their way. I'll be very interested to see them.
I called Blue Chip today and was given a very competetive price. A two-color edgespot with full color inlay is .75/chip with an art charge of $250-$500, depending on design. At 50K the price drops to .65.
I also called TRKing. Dennis confirmed the price of .85/chip. No art charge, and he agreed to do a four-color design at that price instead of a two-color.
PC.com game me a price of .85/chip with $50 art charge. Single edgespot, full color inlay.
That's that. From what I've gathered the consensus is that we want a classy casino theme. As far as design, I like the Trop chip pictured above. Let's toss around some names.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:13 pm GMT by ncskiier
Looking at my previous post, it looks like a 10K order would be priced as follows:
Blue Chip~ $7750-$8000
TRKing~ $8500
pokerchips.com~ $8550
So if the avg. purchase is 1K we're looking at a variance of $80. Not much of a difference.
Although I think pc.com has the best and most consistent quality, I think their unwillingness to do a two-color edgespot takes them out of the running.
I'm still interested to see what the potential participators think of Blue Chip. Their price is hot and we all know they make a good product, if you can get them to make it. Dave says their turnaround is six weeks.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:14 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I don't think we'd get near the 50K order, hell I don't think we'd want to. I like the idea that these will be a chip not everyone can have.
Blue Chips are ok, but I prefer ASM or TRKing.
I sent an E-mail with art to somebody from here earlier but anyhow a name I had been working with is Affiliated Chancing Emporia Syndicate* (geddit?). We've been using this for a couple of related games here in DC. Since we'd in a sense be a collection of related card rooms it seems to actually make sense.
I'm open to other ideas though.
K.
*or Associated if you like.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:18 pm GMT by MeridianFC
BTW my buddy (the art director guy) is back in the office today. He's busy at the moment but will tweek the ideas I have. The offer still stands if you want me to E-mail one of the basic ideas I've been working with.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:37 pm GMT by Nate PT
Meridian, I got your email and its a good design but I think everyone is looking for more of a classic look with a casino theme but you should post your idea up here for everyone to see.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:38 pm GMT by Nate PT
Meridian, I got your email and its a good design but I think everyone is looking for more of a classic look with a casino theme but you should post your idea up here for everyone to see.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:10 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
If you guys can get a high number of chips going, I will buy the rest of what it takes to get to the 50K range.
I have a relationship with Dave so Im sure I can work something out.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:15 pm GMT by warewulf619
I think a 50k buy is not realistic. Shoot for 10k first. The suits had around 20+ people in on it (including me) and it was near 10k. Your not going to know how many are in until a rough design is posted.
warewulf
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:15 pm GMT by coyote
honestly, getting this order into the 50K+ range is a negative for me. I would be much less interested if I knew that a large number of these chips were going to end up being sold wholesale on a website or something. Security isn't as big an issue as uniqueness.
That outweighs the 60 or 70 bucks I'd save.
I'm guessing others may feel the same way.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:16 pm GMT by MeridianFC
How's your project going?
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:52 pm GMT by slowplayray
I am very interested in this group buy. I have been on the hunt for reasonably-priced, classy, "semi-custom" to custom clays for a month now, and have almost no success. I am officially ready to give up my quest for Paulsons. I do not like my Modern Clay samples very much. I am still awaiting samples from Nevada Jack (NJs + Martini Club), as well as the Grand Island Blue Chips from eBay (nice looking chips), but I would prefer a truly custom set.
I would probably be in for about 600-650 chips (maybe more, who knows if I can control myself). I would vote for non-currency denominations if we went with them at all, but I am certainly flexible, and I understand most people would prefer the currency. I am also strongly of the opinion that we should keep it just above the 10,000 mark simply for the sake of uniqueness. No offense intended to Paulsonchips, but I wouldn't feel as good about owning said chips if I started seeing them flooding eBay.
I am not overly familiar with the TRKings or ASMs, but I do know I like their molds a lot better than the seashell (flames, whatever). Maybe if Blue Chip had another mold to choose from (Not the Modern Clay AKQJ1098765432 mold - seems very tacky to me. Nevada maybe? Don't they make the Nevada Jack Clays?), I may be inclined.
Um, what else...I would prefer multi-color edgespots, but again, I am flexible, as long as there is edge-spot variation from chip-to chip. I definitely like the idea of some "fantasy" casino with a simple, classic design (I am a fan of the Nevada Jack design - something simple like that. Would be easier to tell if my samples would EVER come in).
One thing I am wondering about is the size of the inlay from TRK and/or ASM. I found this brochure for Paulson's casino lines, and they offer different size inlays (see Page 4) - I strongly prefer the grand inlay, and am wondering if TRK and/or ASM could do that as well?
http://www.gpigaming.com/pdf/US_Chips.pdf
(scratch that - I now see the TRK inlays are bigger)
It also has a nice section on different edgespot layouts, but I don't see our choices expanding that far...unless...anyone wanna open a casino?
Anyway, I will gladly take on any responsibility needed to get this order underway (now that my table is built and the Red Sox won the World Series, I am running low on stuff to waste my time with). I am not exactly a graphic arts wonder, but I could probably come up with some simple ideas on Photoshop, and probably a hundred cool fantasy casino names. Feel free to fire me an email at raynmanas@yahoo.com or an AIM at raynmanas if you wanna shoot the sh!t about this at all. Let's get this train rolling, and get some dialogue going!
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:38 pm GMT by dice702
Another TR King classic.
Click on the link below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63755&item=6117066275
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:45 pm GMT by slowplayray
See now that chip has a nice color scheme, but in my opinion, it has a perfect example of an inlay that is "too busy." Again, just my opinion.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:54 pm GMT by warewulf619
WOW! $1,802.77 for 1 chip! That would be $901,385 for a set of 500.
warewulf
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:42 pm GMT by ncskiier
I wouldn't mind someone buying up some extras to be available for add-ons. But I wouldn't mind Paulsonchips using his relationship with Dave to keep us from getting dicked around.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:48 pm GMT by leetpants
I may be interested in some also 500-600 most likely.
But i would have to see some nice inlays and egde spots like before Christmas, because i was planning on making a purchase for christmas, and if i see the design before then, and i like it, then i would go with this.
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:01 pm GMT by coyote
I dunno, the odds of this coming together in time to have chips shipped to you by christmas are probably slim and none, and slim just left town....
Posted Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:19 pm GMT by leetpants
Not shipped by christmas, but final design by then, so i know what to get myself.
Posted Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:10 am GMT by coyote
ahhhhhhh, I see..... Merry Xmas to myself!!
nice :D
Posted Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:43 pm GMT by MeridianFC
| Quote: | Hi Kelly
Will all the artwork be the same on the chips? We can only do the chips if
you want edge spots on them with the 3 1/2" spots. It would take us about
12-14 weeks to complete the order and I can give you the order for $95/100
less a 10% discount and I will wave the color fee for the artwork.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Cathy |
Well that sinks ASM for me.
Posted Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:03 pm GMT by warewulf619
| MeridianFC wrote: | | Quote: | Hi Kelly
Will all the artwork be the same on the chips? We can only do the chips if
you want edge spots on them with the 3 1/2" spots. It would take us about
12-14 weeks to complete the order and I can give you the order for $95/100
less a 10% discount and I will wave the color fee for the artwork.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Cathy |
Well that sinks ASM for me. |
Was that quote for 10k chips? Not much of a discount.
warewulf
Posted Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:00 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Yes that was for 10K. While I would think a bigger discount would be in order, it's really the edge spot restriction that kills it for me.
Posted Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:05 pm GMT by Grumbler
Fellows, they give you a 10% discount for 1,000 chips. I would think they would give you a larger discount for 10,000 chips. Also, remember that Kardwell does ASM chips and might do a nice discount.
FYI I MUCH prefer the ASM to the TRKing but each to his own said the woman as she kissed the bull.
Posted Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:23 pm GMT by ncskiier
Well they did say they would drop the $50 color charge. That saves us .005/chip. LOL.
For me, ASM would be my last choice. They make a very high quality product, but I really want double spots.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:37 pm GMT by babyhawg
Ditto on the double edge spots.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:54 pm GMT by ncskiier
If anyone is interested italianstang has his chip pics posted on twoplustwo.com today. I don't know how to paste their links. He went with Blue Chip. Check them out. Personally, I think they look a little raw. But I guess they get better after they've been handled a little.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:02 pm GMT by warewulf619
Link: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1242088&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post1242286
warewulf
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:16 pm GMT by slowplayray
I don't think I like Blue Chips. Seems very likely we are going to end up going TRK for double edge spots. I like their mold. I have samples coming in (free + free shipping - can't beat that deal w/ a stick - they definitely care about their customers and getting orders).
Plus...most importantly...Hoefler's chips look SWEET.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:22 pm GMT by warewulf619
I like the look of blue chip the best (closest to Paulson). I like everything else about TR King better -- weight especially, feel, and sound. I think TR King is hands down the closest thing to casino quality.
Screw ASM for not doing double edges and not giving much of a discount for large quantities!
What does TRK charge? If addressed already, what page? This thread is getting large.
warewulf
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:31 pm GMT by slowplayray
| ncskiier wrote: | I called Blue Chip today and was given a very competetive price. A two-color edgespot with full color inlay is .75/chip with an art charge of $250-$500, depending on design. At 50K the price drops to .65.
I also called TRKing. Dennis confirmed the price of .85/chip. No art charge, and he agreed to do a four-color design at that price instead of a two-color.
PC.com game me a price of .85/chip with $50 art charge. Single edgespot, full color inlay. |
| ncskiier wrote: | Looking at my previous post, it looks like a 10K order would be priced as follows:
Blue Chip~ $7750-$8000
TRKing~ $8500
pokerchips.com~ $8550 |
And there you have it. I really don't like that damn seashell mold.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:34 pm GMT by ncskiier
I'm leaning the way of TRK myself. If only ASM would do double spots, I love that damn horsehead.
But more importantly, we need to get going a design concept.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:36 pm GMT by warewulf619
| slowplayray wrote: | | ncskiier wrote: | I called Blue Chip today and was given a very competetive price. A two-color edgespot with full color inlay is .75/chip with an art charge of $250-$500, depending on design. At 50K the price drops to .65.
I also called TRKing. Dennis confirmed the price of .85/chip. No art charge, and he agreed to do a four-color design at that price instead of a two-color.
PC.com game me a price of .85/chip with $50 art charge. Single edgespot, full color inlay. |
| ncskiier wrote: | Looking at my previous post, it looks like a 10K order would be priced as follows:
Blue Chip~ $7750-$8000
TRKing~ $8500
pokerchips.com~ $8550 |
And there you have it. I really don't like that damn seashell mold. |
You mean the flames (what Dave Endy says they are). PLEASE!
I hate that mold too.
Is the TRKing price for double edge spots?
warewulf
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:43 pm GMT by slowplayray
flames, seashell...either way i think it's lame. one of my biggest concerns with chips is weight...i just like the hefty feel. w/o actually having samples, i think i am going to end up preferring TRK.
yes, i believe so...
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:07 pm GMT by unmaster
| slowplayray wrote: | | I don't think I like Blue Chips. Seems very likely we are going to end up going TRK for double edge spots. I like their mold. I have samples coming in (free + free shipping - can't beat that deal w/ a stick - they definitely care about their customers and getting orders). |
My thoughts exactly. I was very surprised at their customerservice, it must be the best in the business. They also sent me free samples + free shipping, and remember, i live in Sweden. I't feels good when the company you are dealing with put their hearts into it!
/Mike
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:21 pm GMT by slowplayray
Yeah, he originally said he'd send one chip. I told him I was looking for more like 5-8 so I could see some different colors/edge spots and get a feel for a stack of them, and I would gladly pay for more. He said don't worry about it, he'll send them out. Point: TRK
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:03 pm GMT by warewulf619
Prices - .85 cents per chips? On the site it says .75 with a min. of 5000. What's different?
warewulf
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:29 pm GMT by Guest
It's .75 for single edgespots, .85 dbl edgespots.
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:09 pm GMT by Guest
Anything wrong with these Blue Chip Co chips?
http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=YSET565
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:48 pm GMT by slowplayray
Wish I could tell you - I liked the looks of these chips so I decided to check them out...I now have been waiting over 2 weeks to receive my samples!! Supposedly they were sent out on 10/26...when I finally get them in I will let know you.
P.S. I did not order my samples through that site. I ordered them through eBay. Didn't wanna send out any false signals about HPC.com - Mike is awesome to deal with!
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:58 pm GMT by coyote
that seems expensive for those chips though...
Posted Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:15 pm GMT by slowplayray
| coyote wrote: | | that seems expensive for those chips though... |
agreed. basically the same chip as blue chip's bond, and about 25% more expensive.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:06 am GMT by MSPatton
Ray,
Thanks! and I kind of like that HPC.com, WOW! I must have made it to be known by an abreviation like IBM or UPS :D
As for the pricing, they are a little high by you folks here standards. But remember, you 1% of the chip buying public have 99% of the knowledge. You can identify who makes the chips, how much the orginal cost is, even the first names of the people who work for these chip makers. You all are looking for your 2nd, 3rd, 10th poker chip set, where most of the shoppers out there are looking for their first and have money to spend on the set that appeals to them. They are not as concerned about who makes them, or how many they made as they are about the eye appeal and availability. Can I order now, pay, and in 2-7 days have a nice set of chips to show off. Take my "Murphy's" chips for example, they are my highest priced chip and my 2nd best seller. They are unique in that they are coin inlay and by the design. No one else has them. Thus I am able to sell at "retail" as opposed to "wholesale" on these chips. The Grand Island is the same, they are only available on Ebay by the owner (no not me) and sell there for $565-575 per 500 w/o a case.
Not pointing this at anyone's comments, just remember that you all have great tool in this forum in all the information that is available here. You are all educated in the chip market far beyond what the general public will ever be.
Michael
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:30 am GMT by ncskiier
I really like that chip. If they were .80 I'd probably get them. But at 1.25, I'd prefer to save .40/chip a get something original.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:41 pm GMT by warewulf619
| ncskiier wrote: | | I really like that chip. If they were .80 I'd probably get them. But at 1.25, I'd prefer to save .40/chip a get something original. |
They're on Ebay a lot. I've seen them go for less than $1 / chip. Here's one at .87 / chip:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63759&item=6128382414&rd=1
Looks like that guy might have a bunch of sets. Maybe he'll cut you a deal.
I emailed the guy asking how this set is doing but he didn't reply.
warewulf
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:14 pm GMT by Guest
The final bid (.87/chip) in that auction didn't meet the reserve price, although the listing states the reserve is below $1/chip. So it's probably around .90-.95 per, still a good deal relatively speaking.
I'm not too crazy about the choice of edge spot combinations on some those chips, though. It looks like they might have asked a color blind person for their ideas. Otherwise, I like em.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:08 pm GMT by warewulf619
| Anonymous wrote: |
I'm not too crazy about the choice of edge spot combinations on some those chips, though. It looks like they might have asked a color blind person for their ideas. Otherwise, I like em. |
Yeah, I agree. I don't like the spots on about half of them. Especially the $10 -- black spots on a brown chip?
warewulf
Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:58 pm GMT by warewulf619
Just got my TR King King's Crown samples -- really nice chips! Definitely my favorite!
warewulf
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