Why you should never have Dart Boards in a poker Room |
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Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:53 pm GMT by Kid Krow
As some of you may already know, I run a poker room here in the Salt Lake area. Tonight was the first and last night of having a dart side tournament.
You would think that a buch of sober people would be able to hit the board with a simple little dart. but what I have been a witness to is just plain wrong. I even had to close up my room early for the first time since I've opened my door to my members.
amungst those effected by this bizzare event. Three Young ladies, two of which have dart injurys in verious places. the other one took a nasty spill trying not to get hit and twisted her ankel. Two of my tables tops have holes where stray darts had gotten lodged into felt tops Vinel rails and hard wood racetracks. there are a few holes in the walls on all sides.
some one even has a pretty nasy gash over his eye where a dart had nicked him as he passed infront.
It was a nightmare, never again.
Now for those of you who think me hartless, I am paying for all medical bills from this little bizzare turn of events. and for the next few days at least I'm gonna have my doors closed to my members while i repair. repaint, and re surface all the damage done. I may aslo have to boost my Cover charge to help cover the damage done.
my god what the hell was I thinking. I should stick to pitching cards and not sharp darts. anyways Guinevere should be back from the ER soon and I'll have more info of the status of those injured in the "DART GAME INCADENT" and may god forgive me for even allowing it to even happen.
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Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:55 pm GMT by Fat Tony
you should pray that you don't get sued as well.
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:56 pm GMT by Kid Krow
Oh, Most fo the damage done to my tables seem to be fixable by simply redoing the poly. any ideas on how to remove the existing poly to do this?
It looks like I'm gonna have to just reskin all my damaged rails thats no biggie cause i got a roll of the damn stuff...
Posted Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:58 pm GMT by Kid Krow
| Fat Tony wrote: | | you should pray that you don't get sued as well. |
No Joke. thats another reason I closed my doors. Man it was a bad Idea to give sober people darts. I'm telling you. it's not good. I'm really concerned for that one girl with the twisted ankel. she says it twisted but it looks down right broken to me.
~Bummed Krow Out
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:15 am GMT by Fat Tony
sorry, i wasn't trying to bum you out dude. mistakes happen, just learn from it and move forward. 8)
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:24 am GMT by Kid Krow
Tony, been bummed out since the whole thing happened. Just hoppen that these people are gonna be ok. F*** how much money i need to spend on paying their ER bills, F*** The Room and my tables, F*** all the rest of it, these people come to me cause they know I'll do everything with in my power to give them a safe enjoyable time, I failed that one tonight. I'm just gonna get rid of all the dart boards and get ready for any possable sh*t storm that may happen from all this.
Guinevere's here. Well the guy with the gash needed stitches, the other two girls are for the most part ok just a few extra peircings that they didn't want. and the ankel needed to be set and casted but no actual brake. Told her to have them send me the bills. I'll exspect to see those in a few days...
Now it's all about waiting out the darkness before the mounting storm. anyways my Dealers and I are gonna have a meeting about all this. talk to you guys later...
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:23 am GMT by Kid Krow
Well we decided that if there is a Krows nest after all this The member involved in throwing darts at pople is to be banned and any one wishing to charge him with assult, damages, Ect. can eigther file with us or their own charge. We are gonna press charges for damages.
As far as being sued our selves, I sounds like almost everyone is willing to side with us. I think that it was due to the fact that when it did become a problem that my Buddies took on the roll of security very quickly and very proffessionaly. it could have been alot worse. we've made calls to every member in our records and they have given us their full support, even the ones who where not there have expressed their support for use in this issue.
One last Person needs to be contacted but we're gonna let her have some time to rest and start on her way in her mending prossess. We don't want to push her, shes just had a very bad night.
As far as Police involvment, we had called them for assistance to help with the offending member we had to drag out. as far as I can understand he was very Pissed off about being busted out in the first round of tonights tournament. and couldn't handle the fact that his "SKILLS" where beaten by a newbie with almost no skill what so ever.
I've seen him play, his mouth runs all the time and has nothing good to say about other players and is always a poker god in his own mind. a wanna be Phil Hellmuth.
I learned a few very valuble lessions tonight and I hope that anyone else thinking of starting their own poker Club will take these lessions to heart.
One: Never give any player who just lost a fair chunk of cash, any sharp instraments. this is no joke, you never can tell just how unstable someone really is.
Two: If something does happen that can possably result in to violance, be prepared to take care of it quickly. The quicker the better, and with force if needed. you may say that peace is always better and thus must be observed in the face of violance. I'm telling you right now. To ensure peace, prepare for war.
Three: Remember, once peole come into your Establishment, they are in your complete care. Be prepared to pay out doctor's bills incase any sort of injury happens.
Four: If you can't call the cops for fear that they will shut your poker game down, then you might just want to open a Lan Party Zone instead.
Five: Keep Records of who bought Chips and when they are in and out. Inforce a check-in and check-out Policy, We have done this and it payed off tonight when we had to Refund everyones buy-ins back. our Offenders Cash is in the mail. This also makes it easy for when you need to call them up and tell them that their seat is closed do to being unable to justify opeing your doors.
These Five Lessions are very important IMHO, and should be the first things you think about before you decide to take the plundge into the world of organized poker.
Thank you Fat Tony, Just talking about it uncritically helped keep me from going into a panic attack over this.
If this is the last night "The Krows Nest" open, I'de like to say in advance that it was worth it every step of the way, and if give the choise to do it all over again, I would in a heart beat.
I've meet with alot of really great people, and made alot of good solid friends over the corse of the 9 months being open.
How ever Dart boards was a very bad idea and if given the chance to undo it, I would do everything in my power to have prevented this mess. anyways, I'm gonna call it a night and try and get some sleep. Hope I have a hobby when I wake up tomarrow, I would really like a chance to make it up to those who where directly effected by this mishap.
Good night,
~Kid Krow Out
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:58 am GMT by Fortitude253
Plastic tipped darts and board.  The ones the bars use. Hell, get a coin operated one even... heheh
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:01 am GMT by Kid Krow
| Fortitude253 wrote: | | Plastic tipped darts and board. The ones the bars use. Hell, get a coin operated one even... heheh |
Naw it just not a good idea all around. but that would have been a good idea...
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:03 am GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | The member involved in throwing darts at pople is to be banned... |
After reading your first post, I thought these were all accidents caused by people that don't know how to throw a dart. Then further down I find out some guy was doing it on purpose! What a moron! Sorry to hear so many people got hurt, but why wasn't he thrown out the first time he chucked a dart at somebody?
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:04 pm GMT by Kid Krow
| Nut Flush wrote: | | but why wasn't he thrown out the first time he chucked a dart at somebody? |
We jumped up as soon as the first one zinged by the tables. we first tryed to talk him down but after a few secong we had to fight him to the gound first and take the darts away. the guy who got hit above the eye was the first. it wasn't an accadent and Forgive me for making sound as if it was.
The Fact is, from the moment he threw the first dart to the moment we had him face down on the street took about minute or so. the thing with darts is that their small and light enough that a grip can be thrown in a matter of seconds.
Latest word is that he is in jail waiting for some one to post bail. Detectives have been by here sevral times asking questions. like how much did we give him to drink. the answer was none, what kind of drugs do we use here. None, why did he go nuts, he lost 100 bucks before any one else and his EGO is over inflated. did he have accomplaces? Not that I or any one else saw. Any one else witness this? Duh.
UPDATE: The young lady who twisted he ankel is not going to sue us, how ever she is going to Press charges on our dart thrower. One other thing. Our Local FOX News team heard about the events of last night and how quickly it was handled and has asked for the story. After Talking with all who witnessed this and and those hurt in the cross fire, are willing to be interviewed.
Got the news crew comming over here in an hour or so. Soon every one in Salt Lake will know who I am. But we have asked that they not mention our location as the fact that we are a By invite only club still.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:09 pm GMT by The Modfather
Wow man - poker room drama!
Oh, and as far as the LAN Party thang - heh - same rules should apply - but that's for another forum
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:17 pm GMT by Nut Flush
I think you need to record the news footage when they air it on TV. Then you can convert it to mpeg/wmv/mov or whatever and host it on the web for all of us to see.
Or if your local news puts video clips on their own website, get a link for all of us :D
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:33 pm GMT by warewulf619
That's CRAZY! My sympathy! Sounds like you handled it best way anyone could. What a freakin mess!
If someone did something that stupid in my crew, he'd be visiting the hospital himself before going to jail! DOC! WE HAVE A GUY IN HERE WITH A DOZEN DARTS STUCK UP HIS BUTT...
warewulf 
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:58 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I was going to say how surprised I am that the dart dude is not suing you. That's right he should be suing you because he got his ass kicked so bad he has to take off his hat to sit down. Numbskull.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:50 pm GMT by Guest
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Plastic tipped darts and board. icon_smile.gif The ones the bars use. Hell, get a coin operated one even... heheh |
Naw it just not a good idea all around. but that would have been a good idea... |
Now obviously you are going to biased after this incident, but I've run several bars for who knows how many years & have never run into this problem... and Im in Oklahoma, where the drunk redneck factor puts you in all kinds of precarious situations.
I do understand you bias, but when the TV crew shows up, you gotta know it was the nutcase & an isolated incident.... not you or the darts.
A coin-op may or may not cheapen the environment, depending on the clientel you cater to, but they are wonderful... can virtually run score/run a tourny on their own, and the plastic tips would have probably avoided all injuries/damages aside from the lady trying to get out of the way.
And believe it or not, even the purists have no problem with taking the metal tips off their "custom" darts and replacing them with the plastic tips for a tourny.
Your bias is definitely not without merit... however, running some of the most trouble-prone bars in the area for years & having never once seen a person throw a dart at another.... I'd try it again... with plastic tips, and without the guy who thinks other people are targets though.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:54 pm GMT by warewulf619
One thing to add, you probably already covered this, but just in case -- MANY pictures! If it goes to court, the pictures will help.
warewulf
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:13 pm GMT by Fat Tony
the jackass who was throwing the darts will be the who tries to sue i bet. before you all laugh, think of all the stupid jury decisions you've read about. (i hope this doesn't happen, that guy needs to be kicked in the nuts)
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:16 pm GMT by warewulf619
Yeah, hopefully someone in jail will make him their bitch!
warewulf
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:28 pm GMT by Kid Krow
| Nut Flush wrote: | I think you need to record the news footage when they air it on TV. Then you can convert it to mpeg/wmv/mov or whatever and host it on the web for all of us to see.
Or if your local news puts video clips on their own website, get a link for all of us :D |
They actuly are gonna send me a VHS Copy of their News cast on the whole thing. The Krows Nest is being used to partly as a Poker in Utah Story and for the events of last night. I'm hopping I can convert the VHS to High Res Digital with out a hitch but my comp is getting to be a bit flacky.
| warewulf619 wrote: | That's CRAZY! My sympathy! Sounds like you handled it best way anyone could. What a freakin mess!
If someone did something that stupid in my crew, he'd be visiting the hospital himself before going to jail! DOC! WE HAVE A GUY IN HERE WITH A DOZEN DARTS STUCK UP HIS BUTT...
warewulf |
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| MeridianFC wrote: | | I was going to say how surprised I am that the dart dude is not suing you. That's right he should be suing you because he got his ass kicked so bad he has to take off his hat to sit down. Numbskull. |
I wanted to Kill him my self. so did my Bros, but we all knew it ws better to remove him with the minimal force needed. he has not a scratch on him except a few brusies he gave him self by fighting the hold my boys had on him.
We were temped to lose a body however. maybe some where in the open field of Saint george Utah. that might be nice. anyways. he's in jail the charges are mounting on him. hes all of us are in a world of Sh*t right now.
| Anonymous wrote: | Now obviously you are going to biased after this incident, but I've run several bars for who knows how many years & have never run into this problem... and Im in Oklahoma, where the drunk redneck factor puts you in all kinds of precarious situations.
I do understand you bias, but when the TV crew shows up, you gotta know it was the nutcase & an isolated incident.... not you or the darts.
A coin-op may or may not cheapen the environment, depending on the clientel you cater to, but they are wonderful... can virtually run score/run a tourny on their own, and the plastic tips would have probably avoided all injuries/damages aside from the lady trying to get out of the way.
And believe it or not, even the purists have no problem with taking the metal tips off their "custom" darts and replacing them with the plastic tips for a tourny.
Your bias is definitely not without merit... however, running some of the most trouble-prone bars in the area for years & having never once seen a person throw a dart at another.... I'd try it again... with plastic tips, and without the guy who thinks other people are targets though. |
You know what, I may do just that. when i was at the store where I bought my dart sets, I did see a high end link able system. none quartered board. they where pretty sweet but costed a pretty penny. had I gone with that I would of save alot of heart ack. I may or may not at this point. may take a while longer.
| warewulf619 wrote: | One thing to add, you probably already covered this, but just in case -- MANY pictures! If it goes to court, the pictures will help.
warewulf |
When we got him out, We lined every one up as fast as possable, got them their refunds and got them out of there to preserve the area as it was. thank god most of my player are very good about being respectiful and quick to please.
wow, what a mess. but thank god it didn't get me sued yet. As for above, he may try to sue me. But these guys are very well marked as Staff and Security. Entering my Poker Room you understand that they are exspected to to get rough if thats what the case calls for.
I tell you, after last night, I'm glad my boys are there to back me up. all i can do is beat someone with my cain if I don't fall over doing it, anyways. Thanks for the concerns. I hope to get the whole thing behind me and move on.
Oh one last thing, I have no fear of posting the Video to the web due to the fact I agreed to let them video tape the room so long as they don't revile the location of my room. Not that I'm trying to hide from the cops, they know where I am, but party crashers. people wanting to see what I'm all about with no respect for the purity of the IDEALS behind The Krows Nest.
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:39 pm GMT by Kid Krow
| warewulf619 wrote: | Yeah, hopefully someone in jail will make him their bitch!
warewulf |
| Fat Tony wrote: | | the jackass who was throwing the darts will be the who tries to sue I bet. before you all laugh, think of all the stupid jury decisions you've read about. (I hope this doesn't happen, that guy needs to be kicked in the nuts) |
I hear that, and I'm kinda exspecting it. But hes gonna have to counter sue me cuase we're all going after his ass...
| warewulf619 wrote: | | Yeah, hopefully someone in jail will make him their bitch! |
You know, a part of me would love nothing more then his ass getting violated last night. But deep down inside I feel sorry for him. I guess it my Alternitive Spiritualy (no I'm not Pagan/wiccan or some for of buddist or anything like that) talking here but some part of me thinks that this may be a form of seeking help. At least I hope so, because if he isn't seeking help. the next time he brakes he'll get broken off harder even to losing his life over his EGO.
He's a feather. Even I in my weakend state can move him very easily with little more then one hand. Had we wanted to we could of done what ever we wanted to him with out worry of him fighting us off.
PS: Wulf, still wanna temp the fates annd check it out? Oh the Invite is approved and open ended. just let me know. You'll still have to locate us on your own but you'll get the clues on how to find one our members.
~Krow Out
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:46 pm GMT by warewulf619
Yup, I'm definitely going to check the place out. I just have to figure out when. I assume there's an airport nearby?
I'll leave all sharp objects at home...
warewulf
Posted Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:53 pm GMT by Kid Krow
| warewulf619 wrote: | | Yup, I'm definitely going to check the place out. I just have to figure out when. I assume there's an airport nearby? |
For sure. I'm with in a 15 minute drive of Salt Lake International Airport. one of our members is a TSA security guard there. you really can miss the Krows nest pin but it doesn't say that.
| warewulf619 wrote: | | I'll leave all sharp objects at home. |
Thanks That would be great. lol...
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:44 am GMT by Guest
i really want to see pics of this krows nest. why havent u ever posted them? it would make understanding this whole thing alot easier if there was something visual to see.
the way i see it right now its kind of sounds like a sloppy put together place where eeryone runs rampant. pics would make the whole thing seem clearer to me and everyone else.
thanks.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:42 am GMT by Kid Krow
| Anonymous wrote: | i really want to see pics of this krows nest. why havent u ever posted them? it would make understanding this whole thing alot easier if there was something visual to see.
the way i see it right now its kind of sounds like a sloppy put together place where eeryone runs rampant. pics would make the whole thing seem clearer to me and everyone else.
thanks. |
Heres my argument, If I where to show you what the Nest is like. Why would you want to come and see it? Also there is no way that flat pictures or even video would justice. I post no pics because it is a private personal statement of my own life style. A place where I can play when ever I want, in a confortable, relaxing and up untill last night a safe place.
Truth be told, I built my room for me and no one elce. those who see it, see it in person, and are invited into our ranks. you just can't walk up to our game and get in because you want to play.
How ever I've been planning on building a site the features some of our more intresting games. Guinevere, my girlfriend, waunder the room with a digital snapping shot of the games taking place.
I've been too buisy and partly too lazy to post these pictures on the web. some day. not sure when, I'll get the Krows Web site up and running.
If you can't understand why I choose not to just show the world my poker room. I'm sorry, I can't fully help you. My interview, I agreed to do this with in my room if they would show where I am or any portion of the room in detail. They've seen my tables and a few quick hands of poker. but not really my room.
By the way, as a side note, the News spot whent rather well. The painted us as the a buch of people who have banded togather for the enjoyment of poker. Their story was aimed more towards lifting the absolute ban on gambling and towards laxing some of the laws. but they where very objective.
They also talked about my staff and their roll in bringing a bad event to an end as fast as possable. It was great, alot of people on the street where asked their feeling of what kind of reaction would they have if they found out that a semi-secret underground poker game was going on in their hood. 50-50 here in this state. but alot of people where quite favorable. some where nutral, and alot where straight scripture thumping.
Let them thump. It's not for everyone.
Well I'm out of here, got alot to get organized tomarrow, a few Volenteers from our ranks are gonna help me out.
~Krow Out
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:08 am GMT by Cyberhwk
| Quote: | | some one even has a pretty nasy gash over his eye where a dart had nicked him as he passed infront. |
WTF WAS THE GUY DOING WALKING IN FRONT OF A DART BOARD?!?!?!
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:41 am GMT by redd38
| Cyberhwk wrote: | | Quote: | | some one even has a pretty nasy gash over his eye where a dart had nicked him as he passed infront. |
WTF WAS THE GUY DOING WALKING IN FRONT OF A DART BOARD?!?!?! |
you didn't read the whole thread did you?
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:45 pm GMT by Sherrif Lobo
All over $100? What a puss? Sorry to hear about your place man. seems like a fun place besides the dart wielding maniac.
Posted Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:46 pm GMT by Kid Krow
| Sherrif Lobo wrote: | | All over $100? What a puss? Sorry to hear about your place man. seems like a fun place besides the dart wielding maniac. |
It is, since I can't Travel very far anymore It is very nice to walk out side and into my own poker room and play poker when ever I feel like it. Still haven't made the carpet permanent yet but I think I may go with Hard wood floors instead.
As far as Dart Wielding Maniac's are concerned. a hundred bucks, absolutly. it think it was more along the lines of his preception that the guy who beat him was unskilled in his mind. I've seen both players play and to tell you the truth. he was beaten because he wasn't skilled enough. The man played him perfectly. he trapped him into calling his bet like any seasoned pro would. he was even givving him the opertunity to quit and stay in but he just kept on pushing. till finaly he was all in.
I'm not saying that the Maniac's skills are poor, but he plays on EGO more then skill. He has alot of skill and is a very powerful player when/if he can check his EGO. but last game he was in a world of his own. it just so happens that the kid who beat him was the youngest we have in our ranks, but also the more skilled ones we have. even more skilled them my self.
Clean up is going well. we've spackeled the holes in the wall. we decided we can live with the holes in the Vinel and in the poly as long as we smooth it all down as best we can. we have to wet vac alot of places where Soda, coffee and other bevrages where spilled when every one hit the floors for protection. their all over the place.
all and all we'll be up and running sooner then i had first exspected
were leaving one hole in the wall where the dart up to the fletchings was inbedded into the wall. this one I'm placing a frame over with a caption that say "Check your ego at the Door" and calling that good.
in a few days we'll be opening our games back up and hopefully my clients will feel safe again, if not that day hopfuly soon.
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