When are good times to go all in??? |
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Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:40 am GMT by BiG TyMe
When are good times to go all in? In any situation, gimme some feedback on anytime not regarding the poll. Thanks
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Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:08 am GMT by MasterShake
When it's the right time. What position are you in? What kind of players are at the table? How much do you have compared to the guys around you? Has that guy been trying to steal your blind all night?
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:20 pm GMT by Fat Tony
| MasterShake wrote: | | When it's the right time. What position are you in? What kind of players are at the table? How much do you have compared to the guys around you? Has that guy been trying to steal your blind all night? |
all good questions. both of the options listed in the poll are potential all-in hands given the right circumstances, but i'm never afraid to move in with AA.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:06 pm GMT by BiG TyMe
Im talking if ur short stack at the whole table
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:29 pm GMT by MasterShake
| BiG TyMe wrote: | | Im talking if ur short stack at the whole table |
How short stacked? I mean if you're running on fumes just go all-in with anything. I don't care if it's 72o, if you don't double on a short stack you might as well go start up your car and have them fold your hands for you.
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:20 am GMT by Dave B
I will move all in preflop more w/ AK than AA. AA I will make a large raise, hope for a call, then go all in after the flop (unless i flop a set, then I will slow play).
AK I hate being in the situation where you bet big and miss a flop. Then what? Heads up you are likely still ahead, but do you feel confident betting it?
Many many factors go into the decision though.
Posted Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:35 pm GMT by BiG TyMe
good point
Posted Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:04 pm GMT by iha85
Moving in with AK just because you don't feel comfortable playing post-flop isn't sound logic, it's a leak. Improve your post flop game and you don't need to worry about pushing your chips in with an ace high (which yes, even a measly pair of twos beats), so you can actually play the hand to fruition and get away from a loser if you are dead to rights.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:12 pm GMT by ognakuoni
Moving all in with a pair before the hand is already going to lead you in the hand somewhat. Catching a three of a kind is going to be better than catching it with Big Slick. Pocket Aces is the best hand to go all-in with, think about it. Some people go all-in if they are short-stacked when they see a bare ace. Wouldn't thye rather go in with two if they could?
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:40 pm GMT by Geno
| Dave B wrote: | I will move all in preflop more w/ AK than AA. AA I will make a large raise, hope for a call, then go all in after the flop (unless i flop a set, then I will slow play).
AK I hate being in the situation where you bet big and miss a flop. Then what? Heads up you are likely still ahead, but do you feel confident betting it?
Many many factors go into the decision though. |
You are dead right, once your chips are in the pot, there is nothing you can do but sit back and cringe. I'd rather do that then get raised on the flop having missed with AK and have that decision to make.
Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:18 pm GMT by ReRaIsE
I called an all in bet this weekend TWICE with AKs, both times against 99 and both times I lost. Luckily I had the chip lead and it was only a minor setback.
Posted Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:27 am GMT by suitedaces84
| Dave B wrote: | I will move all in preflop more w/ AK than AA. AA I will make a large raise, hope for a call, then go all in after the flop (unless i flop a set, then I will slow play).
AK I hate being in the situation where you bet big and miss a flop. Then what? Heads up you are likely still ahead, but do you feel confident betting it?
Many many factors go into the decision though. |
It kills me to disagree with Dave B AND Geno (and I'm not sure if I really am). But I just don't understand an all in with AK in a ring game. Who will call an all in in a ring game without a pocket pair? An all in with AK will eliminate any competition that you had an advantage on. Either you're up against someone who has a pocket pair and a lead on you (possibly a very large lead) or everyone folds you win a few blinds. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Raise from late position if you miss it, it will probably check to you after the flop. You can fire again and hope your oppoents missed or check for a free turn. From early position limp with it, you're dominating every hand. There is no reason to scare off the A T or K J these are the hands that will pay you off, its in your best interest that they see the flop. If you hit your flop you can clean up, if not you can get out cheap.
Its all relative to how many big blinds the all in is. If you've got $8 left in your stack and the blinds are $2 an all in is an easy call. Same with SnGs and MTTs when it's time to double up or go home AK is a great hand. But for general ring game purposes AK is not a good all in.
Posted Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:04 pm GMT by KINGJACK
I't very large but i'll try...
I would say it's a good time to go all-in with AA, or KK any time you are the third raiser and you feel at least one of your oponent is strong.
These 2 hands are are 2:1 favorite to any other... so...
(exept KK vs AA)
When your the 2nd raiser you may scared the first raiser and not maximize your profit if you go all-in.
My usual strategy with those hand is to play it straight foward and raise any small or medium size bet (or raise) but also try to have at least one caller without going over the top.
Of course you will suffer some beats with this strategy but I do think you maximize your profit allowing oponents to catch a good hand or a good draw on the flop.
If you cant stand a bad beat and you go on tilt when you loose with AA, then you better go all in pre flop with it. You'll win less but more often.
Posted Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:09 pm GMT by KINGJACK
| KINGJACK wrote: | I't very large but i'll try...
I would say it's a good time to go all-in with AA, or KK any time you are the third raiser and you feel at least one of your oponent is strong.
These 2 hands are are 2:1 favorite to any other... so...
(exept KK vs AA)
When your the 2nd raiser you may scared the first raiser and not maximize your profit if you go all-in.
My usual strategy with those hand is to play it straight foward and raise any small or medium size bet (or raise) but also try to have at least one caller without going over the top.
Of course you will suffer some beats with this strategy but I do think you maximize your profit allowing oponents to catch a good hand or a good draw on the flop.
If you cant stand a bad beat and you go on tilt when you loose with AA, then you better go all in pre flop with it. You'll win less but more often. |
I realized that i pass by the question with my first anser...
Of course AA is a better hand to goo all in pre-flop that AK...
I sometimes fold some AKo agaist a big raise when I feel my oponent have a pocket pair.
Posted Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:16 pm GMT by Ensano
i don't think there's any question... both make strong cases to go all in wiht.. but in my opinion of you're holding AA... you limp in and the button raises.. then there's nothing to be afraid of.. you go all in.. even if you're drawn out on.. there's no better hand go get all your chips in with.. try it this way.. you limp... button raises you call.. flop comes Q-9-4 rainbow... you bet and the button raises... did he flop his set?... is he holding nothing... you don't know.. and you did that to yourself.. and you know that if he has his set you're going to end up paying him off.. THAT"S WHY YOU RERAISE ALL IN WITH AA..now with AK... it's a drawing hand.. don't foget that.. you limp.. button raises.. you CALL... on the flop you either hit or you don't.. and you can get away from that hand at a min cost..
Posted Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:18 am GMT by Idaho
AK is a funny old hand. I have pretty much fixed my policy on pre-flop play with it having been burnt a number of times.
When I raise all-in with AK I don't want a call. I want them to fold but with a decent escape hatch should they call. I only raise all-in with AK to steal blinds or put pressure on a short stack. The idea being that if shorty calls he can only get some of my chips.
Calling an all-in with AK is usually a bad move. The only exception to this is when it is one other person and his stack is much less than yours. Calling for all of your chips when there are already two calls before you is suicide, especially if you are in middle position. They are bound to have at the least an ace (cutting down your chances of beating the pocket pair which someone is bound to have with that much action). In fact it is very likely you are up against either KK or AA as well.
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