Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:28 pm GMT by The Modfather
So I have been reading up on tables. The whole "racetrack" thing has kinda grown on me. Well, have done extensive amounts of reading, and from how I understand it, the racetrack can potentially ruin cards and be rather hard on teh chips. Some people opt for the full felt table for this reason. My idea has the racetrack on the outside of the rail. It incorporates cup holders, and a place for ppl to put their keys, ashtray, or whatever there, while keeping chips and cards in the playing field.
I'm not sure if it's been done before or not - if it has, can someone provide pix so I can see what it looks like before dumping a bunch of cash into this.
I'd like the thoughts of the ppl here - is this something that I should pursue? Thanks!
Anyhow, here is the pic - it's clickable so you can get a 380k version of it if you want.
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Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:36 pm GMT by MasterShake
I don't like the idea of having drinks on the table at all. They don't allow it in a casino and I don't allow it in my home. I set up TV trays slightly behind and between the players to put their drinks on.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:37 pm GMT by The Modfather
| MasterShake wrote: | | I don't like the idea of having drinks on the table at all. They don't allow it in a casino and I don't allow it in my home. I set up TV trays slightly behind and between the players to put their drinks on. |
Hmm...they allow it in teh cardrooms by my house - but they use those removable drink holder things.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:02 pm GMT by redd38
It seems to me that putting the rail inside the track will just make them reach further towards the middle of the table and past the drinks to rest their arms comfortably. I think that would increase the chances of spilt drinks (although not on the table, it's still on something).
Just my $0.02
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:07 pm GMT by The Modfather
| redd38 wrote: | It seems to me that putting the rail inside the track will just make them reach further towards the middle of the table and past the drinks to rest their arms comfortably. I think that would increase the chances of spilt drinks (although not on the table, it's still on something).
Just my $0.02 |
Point taken. Thanks!
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:15 pm GMT by warewulf619
The padding is not only to stop the cards from flying off, but to have something to lean on. I think the outside racetrack would be uncomfortable. I also agree not to let drinks on the table. Someone will always spill. Usually a skilled drunk will be able to cover the table and chips with beer...
warewulf
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:51 pm GMT by Fins
Hadn't thought about chip wear or card damage with the race track design but definitely thought of spillage... it's plain going to happen drunks or not. The other issue that was of concern is getting the height of the playing surface just right as I'd want to be able to push my chips in... I don't like the ones that are too raised. Was still thinking of going that route and scotch gaurding the heck out of the fabric though. I'd also thought of putting a track on the outside but more similar to a craps table - below & recessed but hadn't gotten around to actually designing one nor have I seen it done. Definitely want to rest your arms there (need to after raking all those chips in  ) so I wouldn't want the outter track making me reach too much. Also, I plan on having the larger cup holders to handle "coozies" / larger drinks (e.g. pint glasses) and this might increase an outside rail too much. Some food for thought and unfortuantely for me right now that's all it'll be... maybe someone will give me some time for xmas
I'd think someone would have to have done this before... definitely would like to see pics.
- Fins
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:31 pm GMT by Expunge
i would think you would need a secondary rail around the edge of the race track. to make leaning more comfortable. the best tables ive seen have drink holders in the rail. ashtrays, well i dont have a problem there, no smoking here. keys etc. if thats an issue maybe you could may a racetrack thing just under the table.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:23 pm GMT by l810c
| MasterShake wrote: | | I don't like the idea of having drinks on the table at all. They don't allow it in a casino and I don't allow it in my home. I set up TV trays slightly behind and between the players to put their drinks on. |
A couple of months ago I was in the local Kmart and went by their clearance section for summer items. They had this little "pool side drink caddie" it had a heavy white base(like the ones used for umbrellas) a single pole and then a ~12" table top with 2" rail and 2 drink holders.
It didn't have a price on it and I was in a hurry. There was only one and I would need several and thought I could find them online.
I can't find them online anywhere. The keywords "pool drink caddie" just brink up so many results it's hard to weed out.
I've thought about making them from 10lb weights, a pole and 12" table top with 2 holes cut out. They could probably be put together for <$30 each.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:49 pm GMT by Juliea344
| MasterShake wrote: | | I don't like the idea of having drinks on the table at all. They don't allow it in a casino and I don't allow it in my home. |
I'm not at all trying to be rude here, but which casino is that? My home casinos and every casino I've been to in Vegas allow drinks at the poker table. The only place they are particular is the craps table and you just have to make sure you keep your drink below the felt area. Hmmm, just wondering.
Posted Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:24 pm GMT by MasterShake
| Juliea344 wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | | I don't like the idea of having drinks on the table at all. They don't allow it in a casino and I don't allow it in my home. |
I'm not at all trying to be rude here, but which casino is that? My home casinos and every casino I've been to in Vegas allow drinks at the poker table. The only place they are particular is the craps table and you just have to make sure you keep your drink below the felt area. Hmmm, just wondering. |
Foxwoods
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:41 am GMT by The Nutz
| Quote: | I set up TV trays slightly behind and between the players to put their drinks on.
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Me too! I Hate the Idea of any drink on or near the table... It's a disaster waiting to happen.
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:54 pm GMT by gmunny
Modfather,
That is a cool idea (and cool drawing btw), but I think the rail should be on the outside since that's were most people rest their arms. What about if you move the race track below the rail and inset a little? This would be similar to the drink/ashay rail on crap tables. The only problem with this is that it would affect leg room and/or height of the table.
G$
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:51 pm GMT by jalsing
maybe something like this:
http://www.pokeroutlet.com/ph29w_texas_holdem_poker_tables.html
There has to be a way to incorporate a padded rail into that...
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:56 pm GMT by DaBear
Was still thinking of going that route and scotch gaurding the heck out of the fabric though.
Careful with too much scotchguard, check out this thread from another forum
http://www.scottkeen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:15 pm GMT by Nut Flush
If people insist on drinking at the table, just buy some of those plastic hats that hold 2 beers.
Posted Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:18 pm GMT by DaBear
Sorry, I'll try again
| Fins wrote: | Was still thinking of going that route and scotch gaurding the heck out of the fabric though.
- Fins |
Try here
http://www.scottkeen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156
Posted Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:07 am GMT by Guest
I've got to get a couple tables built by the day after Thanksgiving, so I'm currently wrestling with this problem. Is there any doubt that the closer the drink are to the table the more likely it is that they'll get spilled on it? I know this is true and I'm not even talking alcohol, because nobody I play with would drink and play poker for $. (We pretty much tell them that if they really want to do that just stay home and send in a check.)
My ideas: The table’s there in the middle of the players for the cards and chips and that’s it. Right now I’m trying to cook up a simple way to put drink holders on the chairs or something, because I don’t have anything like the number of LITTLE tables it takes—although I’m working on that too. Put a rail on the outside because your arms DO need the padding. (Have any of you played 6-10 hours stretches?) Pad the table lightly. I’m still not completely decided on the padding under the fabric (no felt, it pills, going with upholstery fabric although I love pool table stuff—too pricey). My first thought was cork, but I notice that the casino where I play has really squishy stuff, too squishy for my tastes, feels like 1/2” foam. Right now I’m thinking I’ll use that 3/8” foam they use under cheap carpeting. I think it’s only about 3.50 a sq. yard., it’s stiffer than foam and cheaper than cork and it’ll come in one piece that I can easily glue down.
Anyone who’s ever read about doing this knows that padded rail’s a problem. My solution is to make it in sections, pad it, and put it together as well as I can. The straight middle sections will buy me a little fudge factor.
The “racetrack” shape was developed to make it easier for a dealer sitting in the middle to control the action as well as optimize use of casino floor space. A circle or ellipse is really more practical and allows players to see better, but being a creature of habit, I’m going with racetracks—also has something to do with plywood not coming in 6’ x 6’ sheets.
Posted Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:34 am GMT by slowplayray
I would wager to guess that everything you need to know can be found here:
http://www.scottkeen.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=2e247b1023dfcdf6198fd2adab716574/url
Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:46 pm GMT by redd38
| Anonymous wrote: | I've got to get a couple tables built by the day after Thanksgiving, so I'm currently wrestling with this problem. Is there any doubt that the closer the drink are to the table the more likely it is that they'll get spilled on it? I know this is true and I'm not even talking alcohol, because nobody I play with would drink and play poker for $. (We pretty much tell them that if they really want to do that just stay home and send in a check.)
My ideas: The table’s there in the middle of the players for the cards and chips and that’s it. Right now I’m trying to cook up a simple way to put drink holders on the chairs or something, because I don’t have anything like the number of LITTLE tables it takes—although I’m working on that too. Put a rail on the outside because your arms DO need the padding. (Have any of you played 6-10 hours stretches?) Pad the table lightly. I’m still not completely decided on the padding under the fabric (no felt, it pills, going with upholstery fabric although I love pool table stuff—too pricey). My first thought was cork, but I notice that the casino where I play has really squishy stuff, too squishy for my tastes, feels like 1/2” foam. Right now I’m thinking I’ll use that 3/8” foam they use under cheap carpeting. I think it’s only about 3.50 a sq. yard., it’s stiffer than foam and cheaper than cork and it’ll come in one piece that I can easily glue down.
Anyone who’s ever read about doing this knows that padded rail’s a problem. My solution is to make it in sections, pad it, and put it together as well as I can. The straight middle sections will buy me a little fudge factor.
The “racetrack” shape was developed to make it easier for a dealer sitting in the middle to control the action as well as optimize use of casino floor space. A circle or ellipse is really more practical and allows players to see better, but being a creature of habit, I’m going with racetracks—also has something to do with plywood not coming in 6’ x 6’ sheets. |
I think cork wouldn't hold up well under a lot of use (you'd get uneven parts of the table). Also the rail isn't too hard to make in one piece. Mine looks and feels great and I made it without much trouble (except my thumbs hurt for a week from stretching the vinyl)
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