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Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:18 am GMT by Sherrif Lobo
I was in a 15 player $50 buy in nl tourney. everyone gets 250 in chips. I made final table, by playing safe hands, and bluffing a few times, but nothing amazing. I took a bunch of small pots that kept me around average chip stack until final table of 6. everyone is playing fairly tight because the payout was to 4th place. I lost a pretty big pot so I was evenly short stacked with another guy at the table (around 500, w/ blinds at 80 and 40, so I basicly am only playing premium hands or limping in as the big blind. 2nd place chip leader loses two big hands in a row and decided to go all in w/in the next 3 hands and loses. other short stack decides to go all in and loses. Then I go all in one the next hand figuring that I'm all but done and I'll be happy with my 3rd place $, but I win about a 350 total all in pot. Next hand the other two go all in and the large stack wins...great I just limped my way into 2nd place. I love playing heads up so I'm a little bit more excited now. 1st hand I get delt A, Kh so I go all in and win. Next hand I flop tripo 10's and go all in, get called and win. Now, the blinds have gone up to 200 and 100 I start throwing in a few bluffs, and catch a few cards and end up with the chip lead somehow. I came all the way from a 350 to 3,400 deficit, to have the chip lead by about 500. next hand I get delt A, 4 spades, and he calls me all in....I have the Ax suited, so I have a nice drawing hand and I'm on a rush getting good cards, if I take this pot now, I win and come back from a big hole.....I decided to call. he flips over A, 8 unsuited and two more 8's come up (1 on the flop and 1 on the river)....lost on the next hand. Now my question. I know I should have folded and waited for better hands, or an opportunity later on, but for some reason, I decided to call. Maybe cause I was on a good rush, and I was playing some great poker. Would you have done the same?
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Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:40 am GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | I know I should have folded and waited for better hands, or an opportunity later on, but for some reason, I decided to call. Maybe cause I was on a good rush, and I was playing some great poker. Would you have done the same? |
Easy fold, you just fought your way to be the chip leader. No need to double up the short stack with A4s. If he's pushing all in, you're either ahead if he's doing it with a King or Queen high or you are way behind any other hand. AA,KK,QQ, AK, AQ, AJ, AT... the list goes on and on all the way down to A8. Really all you can hope for is making your flush or two pair, if an Ace comes out on the flop you really can't count on your kicker.
You said you were playing great poker, that's all the more reason to fold. Getting all your chips in the pot pre-flop is leaving your fate to the poker gods, good poker doesn't apply here, all that matters is what the next five cards are.
Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:52 am GMT by ballbp
I have to agree with Nut flush here. A4s is not worth doubling up the other guy. It definitely sounds like you were getting some good hands there at the end so I would have waited for one of those good ones to hit again and then smack him.
Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:54 am GMT by Sherrif Lobo
Yeah, like I said I know it was an easy lay down. I guess I was just drooling over the possibilty of ending it right there. Lesson learned. moving on.
Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:40 pm GMT by Fat Tony
you managed to claw your way back into the game with a realistic possibility of winning, which is great. BUT, in that situation if i'm going all-in i would generally want to be the aggressor. you read of your opponent could change things of course, but unless you flop a monster get out. make the tournament deciding hand take place on YOUR terms, not his.
Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:55 pm GMT by Sherrif Lobo
Yeah, thats a good point. I always feel better about a hand when I'm the one to call the all-in
Posted Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:45 am GMT by snoogins47
Tony makes a great point.
Preflop fold equity late in a tournament with big blinds and shortish stacks makes pushing all in with A4 intensely more profitable than calling.
I don't feel like actually working out the calculations, as I'm very tired.
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