Tipping Tournament Dealers |
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Posted Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:59 am GMT by Cyberhwk
Does just the winner tip? Are ALL paying spots supposed to tip the dealers?
How does this work?
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Posted Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:08 am GMT by Dave B
5-10% of the prizemoney depending on how much. But I dont know if i would tip more than $50 unless I am over $1500-2000.
Posted Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:53 am GMT by MasterShake
Yeah, but who gets that money? At Foxwoods all dealer tokes are distributed from a giant collection (which I personally don't like). At some other Casinos, dealers keep the tips they're given. So are all the dealers getting to share that tip or are you just giving it to the last guy?
Posted Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:20 pm GMT by Nut Flush
Interesting question. For instance, let's say you've had ten different dealers on your way to coming in first place of a large multi. Are you then supposed to go back and tip every single dealer you had 5-10% of your winnings?
On the other hand, it would be quite obvious the dealer sitting at the final table would get more tips than the others if you choose to just tip him.
What about the first dealer to stop working when a table breaks? Is he entitled to an equal portion of the tips as opposed to the dealer that has to deal through the final table?
I honestly think there should be a "tip fee" paid up fron along with the buy in fee. If a player chooses to tip a particular dealer something extra, so be it. Sort of like how restaurants add on a 18% gratuity for parties over 5 or something like that. How the tournament director decides to divy up the tips is up to him, but get the burden off the players from the get go.
Posted Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:59 pm GMT by mindgame
I've talked to dealers about this...and they HATE tournaments. Usually only th winner tips, and typically not that much, nowhere near 5 or 10%. Around here it just goes in the pot that they all split once a week.
Posted Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:41 am GMT by Cyberhwk
| mindgame wrote: | | I've talked to dealers about this...and they HATE tournaments. |
I bet they do.
Just think about it. Instead of someone winning $20-30 every 3 minutes we have only THREE people winning ANY amount of money. Even if you have 20 people each paying a $25 buy in that's still only $500 paid out TOTAL. A 5-10% tip would STILL only be $25-50. Spread over 2 dealers and 3 hours of work that's $4 an hour in tips! Around here they'll usually get tipped that much EVERY POT when dealing 3/6.
And I'd imagine the larger the tourney is the more the $/hour goes down.
Posted Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:36 am GMT by HitTheFlop
Anytime I've cashed in a Tournament whether it was 1st place or otherwise I will subtract my buy-in cost and tip 3 to 5 % of my winnings. Don't be fooled the only dealers that don't like tournaments are the ones that are dealing in small rooms with small tourney's. Larger tournament dealers often times follow a circut because the $$$ is good. Imagin if Greg Raymer only tipped 1% at this years WSOP that would be $50,000 right off the top and now you have $$$ coming from the other places paid as well. Not a bad way to make a living tossing cards.
Peace, HTF
Posted Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:57 am GMT by mindgame
This last post implies, I think, that individual dealers can keep their tips--common in most places. I think that makes a big difference. In Indiana, about which I was writing, the dealers must throw the tips in the weekly pool. This is horrible, I think. Poor dealers as well as very good ones get the same money. I suppose, though, that it protects the players in the end--but it doesn't mean we like it.
Posted Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:09 pm GMT by MasterShake
| mindgame wrote: | | This last post implies, I think, that individual dealers can keep their tips--common in most places. I think that makes a big difference. In Indiana, about which I was writing, the dealers must throw the tips in the weekly pool. This is horrible, I think. Poor dealers as well as very good ones get the same money. I suppose, though, that it protects the players in the end--but it doesn't mean we like it. |
Actually, I think it's worse than that. I think the percentages are different depending on seniority. I'd have less of a problem with that system is it was based on reviews. There should be someone at the casino who watches footage of each dealer, then gives them a review based on that to determine what percentage of the toke pool they get.
Posted Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:49 am GMT by HitTheFlop
I was not implying that dealers get to keep there own tips. It would not be fair in anyway in a tournament situation. Lets just use the Greg Raymer referance and say he tipped $50,000 and you dealt the tournament from start to finish and realize that not all the main event dealers dealt the whole event. As players were eliminated so was the need for so many dealers. Yet to make it as simplistic as possible lets say there were 500 dealers that each worked a 40 hour week they would each make $1000 with just a 1% tip from the winner that is not includeing the rest of the field who tips.
On the other hand I believe that in ring games all dealers should be allowed to keep there own tips. It keeps the good dealers from earning there maximum income and bad dealers from getting there act together because they make enough off the heals of others. If you feel that a tounament dealer is not making enough than you have every right to sit in one of there ring games when there tossing cards and tip them there.
Peace, HTF
Posted Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:01 pm GMT by mindgame
Well, there's no seniority system in Indiana, but I like the idea of a split according to some rating system, even if it was just, say, a Class A, B, C, or D breakdown.
The trouble would then be, who rates the dealers????
Of coures WE should, since they work for US. But wouldn't the casino want to? I'm thinking that the casino and I have different ideas about what a good dealer is. Their number one consideration would be hands/hour, wouldn't it? But though I think that important, I sure would put attitude as the number one criterion. I know that the casino sure doesn't see eye-to-eye on who the best supervisors are, or who they ought to promote for that position. I've talked to one super who was reprimanded for "fraternizing" with players.
His offense was to take smoke breaks on deck and chat with players doing the same. It gave him a chance to informally assess the players' feelings about the room, the games, the dealers, and the job they were doing. Needless to say, he runs the room better than most. He's organized, courteous, and completely on top of what's going on. And promotion time he was passed over. I wrote and complained and they didn't even bother to respond.
Posted Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:53 pm GMT by Cyberhwk
| mindgame wrote: | | I know that the casino sure doesn't see eye-to-eye on who the best supervisors are, or who they ought to promote for that position. |
The other problem you have is dealers don't WANT to become managers. I make SLIGHTLY less in salary than my floor manager, but I also make twice my salary in tips. He doesn't make a dime in tips.
Usually who you get for floor managers are former surveillance people with senority. 
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