Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:51 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
my grandfather( swear to god lol) has the wrong idea of the kicker. he is saying that the kicker doesnt matter. because poker is a 5 card game, and you cant introduce a 6th card. and im telling him hes wrong. and i need to convince him that hes wrong if anyone can help. heres his scenerio:
player 1 has k,7
player 2 has k,6
flop is 9,J,10
turn Q
river 2
that makes a king high straight for both players.
they lay them down. and player one wins becuase his kicker determines the tiebreaker right?
hes saying that its a split pot. because niether the 7, or the 6 are in the straight, so those cards dont matter at all.
i give him a different scenerio:
player 1 has 9,A
plaer 2 has 9,K
flop is 4,5,6
turn is 7
river 8
now both players have a 9 high straight, but with player one having an A, he wins because his kicker is higher than player 2s K.
now if they both had a 9,K it would be a split pot.
please if anyone can help especially if im wrong. i dont think i am. but i shouldnt be too cocky haha.
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Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:55 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Sorry mate, your grandfather is correct. 
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:59 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
really? why?
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:03 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
thats it im killing myself haha
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:11 pm GMT by Fat Tony
only each players top 5 cards play, so i'm afraid that your grandfather is correct.
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:58 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
then what about this...
and this happened to me a few minutes ago
player 1 has A,6
player 2 has A,7
flop turn and riverwas 5,2,9,10,A
both players have a pair of aces but i being player 2 lost to the guy that had a,7 why is this different?
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:38 pm GMT by ilikepoker
| sleepless rounder wrote: | because poker is a 5 card game
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...is specifically what your grandpa was correct about.
so in your first example the two hands were:
1.) 5-6-7-8-9
2.) 5-6-7-8-9
and in the latest example the two hands were:
1.) A-A-10-9-7
2.) A-A-10-9-6
in the first hands, they were identical, so split pot. in the next two hands, there was one card that "outkicked" the other.
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:51 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
good lord thank you ilikepoker, no one else was clear. i understand it now
thanks
Posted Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:26 pm GMT by ilikepoker
no problem
i am sure your second question is what cleared it up
Posted Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:17 am GMT by Fat Tony
| ilikepoker wrote: | no problem
i am sure your second question is what cleared it up |
correct. the second question was a different story than the first in that the second pocket card played where in the first example it did not.
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:50 pm GMT by redd38
and the lesson we learned today: Never question "grandpa's" knowledge of poker
These crazy whippersnappers with their WPT think they know everything cause they saw it on the tv :D
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:59 pm GMT by galderon
Some casinos/home games will use the unused hole cards to determine who gets an odd chip...so in your king-high straight example, the K7 player might get an additional chip in an otherwise split pot.
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:10 pm GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | Some casinos/home games will use the unused hole cards to determine who gets an odd chip...so in your king-high straight example, the K7 player might get an additional chip in an otherwise split pot. |
I thought the odd chip was given based on position to the dealer.
Found this rule on another site: "In a button game, the first hand clockwise from the button gets the odd chip."
Of course, home games as well as casinos can have thier own set of rules regarding the odd chip.
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:05 pm GMT by sleepless rounder
the place i go to gives the odd chip based on the higher card in a split pot as well...
and yes, it was the second question, i felt so dumb haha. oh well
thanks
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:15 pm GMT by galderon
| Nut Flush wrote: | Found this rule on another site: "In a button game, the first hand clockwise from the button gets the odd chip."
Of course, home games as well as casinos can have thier own set of rules regarding the odd chip. |
Yeah, I'm not sure...casinos here in Wisconsin are pretty non-standard...at one of them, if both the player and dealer get blackjack, it's a push, which kind of threw me...but I digress. :D I was with a friend at a different casino, and he thought he witnessed an odd chip going to the highest non-used card, but we never found out the official rule on the matter.
Our home game used to just leave the odd chip in the middle for the next pot, but we changed it to the above rule. We're trying to get our home game as close to "standard" as possible so I'll lobby for the one you suggested.
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:20 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| Nut Flush wrote: |
I thought the odd chip was given based on position to the dealer.
Found this rule on another site: "In a button game, the first hand clockwise from the button gets the odd chip."
Of course, home games as well as casinos can have thier own set of rules regarding the odd chip. |
its by the dealer button where I go to, but lots of places have different rules.
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:34 pm GMT by golddog
I've always played first to the left of the dealer, and it only seems to make sense that way.
Poker's either a five card game or it's not. If it is, then some other method (like left of the button) needs to be employed.
Not to worry over a single chip, of course. In non-tournament play, my group typically gives it to high hand (if it's a high-low split game) or just leaves it out there too.
Posted Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:01 pm GMT by redd38
The right way is to give the odd chip to the closest to the left of the button. That's how WTP and WSOP do it.
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:29 am GMT by ilikepoker
odd chip to the closest to the left of the button at the casino i have started to go to as well. it was explained to me that it is that way because they have the disadvantage of being out of position through the whole hand so it is only fair to give the extra one to the person with the disadvantage.
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