First chip set - denomination balance? |
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Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:42 am GMT by Idaho
I was thinking of getting some chips like these and was trying to thing what denominations to get that would maximise usage and minimise having to change chips all the times (and most importantly not spend too much).
I was thinking that for 6-8 person tourneys I would go for:
(1 pack = 10 chips)
1 pack 500
3 packs 100
5 packs 50
5 packs 25
6 packs 10
6 packs 5
What do you reckon? Too few chips in total? Not having single value chips a mistake?
Also is using non denominated chips a real pain?
Thanks in advance
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Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:45 am GMT by Tex Rex
Dear Idaho:
The link didn't come through, so I couldn't see the chips. But for what it's worth, here's my opinion.
I'd want a few more chips in some colors. I recently purchased a custom set of about 980 chips. A company didn't like them after they got them, so I bought them at a great price. I bought primarily because they had enough chips in the 7 colors I wanted. The set includes 9 colors.
I think you will enjoy having 6 colors. That's very flexible. But for 8 people, I'd think you'd want a couple of colors with at least 10 chips per player.
I've never had a set with denominations. I don't think they are necessary, and I've never had a player complain. We post a chip value chart (easy to make in any word processor). I've also put a label on one chip of each color, but the chart is easier.
I've never had anyone complain that we have too many colors. Basically anyone who can remember the order of hands can remember the value of the chips.
Here's how I do tournaments. Each player receives $10,000 in 25 chips. Here's enough for 10 (what I'm set up for), including the color ups:
12 green (=$25) -- 120 chips
7 black (=$100) -- 70 chips + 30 color ups
2 purple (=$500) -- 20 chips + 26 color ups (rounded to 30)
3 yellow (=$1,000) -- 30 chips + 20 color up
1 gray (=$5,000) -- 10 chips
That totals 360 chips. The equivalent for 8 man would be 288 chips, slightly more than what you are looking at. You could make do with that. Oh, we don't do re-buys. You'd need more chips if you allow re-buys.
You could, and I'll probably do this if I purchase another chip set, put denominations on some but not others. For example, I might have values on the green (25), black (100), and purple (500), but not the others. The ones you use the most often you could put values on.
I think you are asking how important it is to have a value of 1. I don't think that's critical. We could do our tournaments using chips with lower values. Start blinds at 1/2 instead of 25/50; give $400 instead of $10,000. I just couldn't figure out how to use those same ratios with fewer chips. I do have red and white chips with my set, so I could easily do that as well, but I've learned the more total chips on the table, the longer it takes to color up, the more likely you are to get confused, the more chips you have to have and carry. So I prefer fewer chips.
Some players love a large stack of lower value chips so they can make chip "castles." That's not my style, but there's nothing wrong with it.
Anyway, that's my $.02. I hope this helps.
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:52 am GMT by PLZ
For tournaments of up to eight players you only need 200 chips total in four denominations (5, 25, 100, and 500) under the following scenario:
- Each player starts with T1000 (T = "Tournament") in chips
- Starting stack for each player is 20 chips with 10 reds (value = 5 per chip), 6 greens (value = 25 per chip), 3 blacks (value = 100 per chip), and one purple (value = 500 per chip). This means that to start, you'll need 80 reds, 48 greens, 24 blacks, and 8 purples for a total of 160 chips.
- When you "color up" by removing the red chips and replacing them with greens, you'll need an additional 16 greens to replace the 80 reds you're removing.
- When you color up by removing the greens and replacing them with blacks, you'll need an additional 16 blacks to replace the current total of 64 greens.
- When you finally color up to all purples, you'll need another 8 purples to replace the current total of 40 blacks, but in a real game, you'll probably need to leave some blacks on the table for split pots.
Personally, I do not have denominations on my chips and I think this works best. You can hand out a color-code card, or put a chart on the wall, but also note that the above structure is classic Las Vegas colors & values, so many players will already know the value for each color of chip.
You'll have to create a structure for the blinds and (optionally) antes that escalates every 15 - 20 minutes to insure that your tournament doesn't last too long.
Good luck!
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:08 pm GMT by Idaho
Cheers for the replies. Been looking at this set. Very cheap (for the UK)
http://www.premierpokerchips.com/products/product.asp?ID=72&title=Las+Vegas+%27Jackpot%27+Poker+Chips
Can get 300 chips for about $100.
Or I could pick the denominations and get these:
http://www.gamble.co.uk/acatalog/Gamble_co_uk_Numbered_Chips_5.html
I know what you're saying about the blank chips, but I think I'd prefer denoms.. dunno why - just seem nicer!
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:09 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Idaho, I just noticed your location are you a Grecian? I've a good friend from your parts (does the band, well ex band, The Visitors mean anything to you?)
Anyhow the format, in dollars, I use which is also one recommended on homepokertourney.com (indespinsible source of touney info) is as follows:
20 x £100
10 x £500
3 x £1000
= £10,000 tournament pounds
Since it's tourney money the actual value of the chips is moot, the relative value is important. This could be £1/£5/£10 etc.
33 chips/player. Get four (or more) extra $500 and a few more $1000 for coloring up. If you allow rebuys you'll obviously need more chips but you can and should give the players more higher value chips when they do that. Again you can make the values whatever you want, I chose the outrageously high side because I don't use in of those values in my cash game. FWIW the format has been very succesful for me, though I should confess I play far more cash games than tournies.
Yours in cider,
K.
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:13 pm GMT by MeridianFC
http://www.homepokertourney.com/blinds_samples.htm
Here's the direct link. Most of his blind structures call for starting players with 31-33 chips. You want people to have good stacks to start with but remember all of those chips are going to be in play and you'll have to color 'em up sooner or later to keep things manageable.
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:35 pm GMT by Idaho
| MeridianFC wrote: | | Idaho, I just noticed your location are you a Grecian? I've a good friend from your parts (does the band, well ex band, The Visitors mean anything to you?) |
I'm relatively new to these parts having moved down from London last year so i haven't heard of that band. As for supporting the football team - it's like watching a dog that suffers but that just won't die... 
Posted Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:50 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Ironically enough my friend did the opposite move so it's all left to seeing the EFC v. Stevenage or somesuch. BTW your description is very apt and I think even most Grecians would agree. That said the EFC v. Brazilian Past Masters scarf has a place of honor in my poker room.
Good luck with your game.
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:37 am GMT by PaulsonChips
HOmepokertourney.com is an awesome site. Definatley check it out.
and no this is not spam
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:02 am GMT by Idaho
The trouble os that most of these reviews and shops are all US based which is no good for me. Whereas the exchange rate makes US chip shops look good - the shipping costs and potential import duty etc make it not worthwhile.
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:45 am GMT by MeridianFC
If you find something you like over this side drop me a line I'm sure we could work out a way of shipping stuff to you in small sets, which is more likely to aviod the duty radar. I ship stuff to Blighty all the time. As long as the items aren't too big "Gift" seems to get things through ok.
Mind a few years ago I got some custom football kits maid in the UK. Cost of the kits = $1,200, cost of shipping = $84, cost of import duty to US = $400!
K.
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:05 pm GMT by Idaho
Is there much of a market for football kits over there?
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:23 pm GMT by warewulf619
Are there any different vendors for high end chips in the UK? Anything close to Paulson/Bud Jones?
warewulf
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:28 pm GMT by MeridianFC
| Quote: | | Is there much of a market for football kits over there? |
Yes.
Football (association type) is still a relatively marginal spectator sport here (it's the #1 participation sport) but the size of this country sort of dictates that even if a small percentage of the population is interested in the sport that still a lot of Man Utd, Real Madrid, Ajax, Celtic, etc tops to go around. Couple that with a goodly number of ex-pats, those who've lived overseas and bob's yer uncle, you've got replica mania. The Foot Locker (athletic ware shop for people who don't play sports) near me currenlty has Mexico, Brazil, Real, and AC Milan tops.
When I go to DC United games (my local team, current champions btw) I see the whole range of world football support. To give you an Idea I've seen all of these tops in just this past season: Wimbledon (old), Colo Colo, Boca Juniors, Celtic, FC St. Pauli, Barcalona, Hibernian, Santos, Club America, the Stongest, Panathanaikos, Rangers, Leeds, Bayern, Universidad Catholico, Everton, Sunderland, Cruz Azul, LA Firpo, Aguilla, hell I could go on for hours.
We played Spurs, Forest, and CD Municipal in friendlies (won all 3) so I won't count the goodly support each of those brought.
The kits I bought were for my sunday kick about team. Believe it or not it was impossible to find a plain red and white stripped jersey over here. I'm a bit of an antiquarian with my football stuff (the team is the Meridian Hill Nomads Association Football Club). Most of the kits you can get for us weekend warriors look crap, like some damned Jackson Pollock painting.
Posted Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:22 pm GMT by BassHunter
My colors/denominations are not typical, but I have a case of 500 chips which include 200 White ($5), 150 Red ($25), 110 Black ($100), 25 Green ($500), 15 Blue ($1,000). I stickered them all so there's no confusion. I found out if they are blank, people constantly have to ask during the first hour.
We start tourney games with:
20 Whites (x$5 = $100)
8 Reds (x$25 = $200)
2 Black (x$100 = $200)
That works perfect with 10 people and leaves plenty of Black and all Green & Blue for color-up as the tourney progresses. If we have more than 10 players or if rebuys are allowed, then we reduce the whites by 5 and add a red for the same starting amount. Our blinds start at 5 & 10 and go up every half-hour. The games go fairly quick (3-4 hours) and we usually get two main games.
We also usually get a side game going during game #1 after 5 people fall out. People bumped from the main game join up to about third place whom usually just waits for the main game to end. Buy-in & starting chip count is cut in half (but blinds are the same) and it usually ends close to where the main game does (so everyone can get in the second main game). But of course we need a second set of chips for the side game.
We've never had color problems with that format. As the whites are phased out, the blacks and up are phased in.
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