8 Limpers vs. a Raise and 3 Callers |
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Posted Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:54 pm GMT by SteveF
I've not been able to "cipher" this one out.
Why is it that 8 limpers (8 small bets or 4 big bets) is better than 1 raiser and 3 callers (cold or otherwise)? The same amount of money is getting into the pot so if you're looking at pot odds then there should be no difference, should there?
If there is a difference then what if you're the raiser?
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Posted Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:57 pm GMT by BigSlugger09
Im not sure if I understand the question fully or would know the answer if I did. I assume you are talking about post-flop. maybe it has something to with implied odds. 8 players in a pot offers better implied odds than 4.
Also, maybe because either the raiser or the 3 callers could already have a better hand than you are hoping to get. If they are raising or calling a raise, they will usually have a made hand.
Someone please jump in if I am wrong, because these are just a couple of thoughts. So, dont assume that this is right.
Posted Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:26 pm GMT by SteveF
When I wrote this, I was thinking pre-flop but I guess the it could apply post flop. I wasn't thinking about anyone having a stronger hand than mine, I was just thinking of pure pot odds.
Posted Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:44 pm GMT by bcauldwell
Wouldn't it depend on the hand you have? For example if you had a hand that could win on it's own like (KK) then you want fewer people in the hand so the likelyhood of them out drawing you is lower, while if you had lets say (9T suited) then you want more people in the pot who are going to contribute to the money in the pot to give you the right odds to continue trying to draw a hand on the turn or river...
Posted Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:15 am GMT by snoogins47
There's a huge difference. First off, your chance of winning the hand goes up with less opponents. Also, with a raise and callers, there's more of a chance of having better hands out there against you. More players in a pot, though, = more implied odds and better opportunities to play draws profitably.
Neither is definitively better, and I'm curious as to where you heard such.
Also, if you want to get nitpicky, pot odds are different as well. Same amount of money in the pot, but if you've ended up paying 2x as much to see a flop.
Pot SIZE is the same. Pot ODDS are not, your equity is not, and the hands will play much differently after the flop.
Posted Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:57 am GMT by Nut Flush
Example of eight limpers to a $1 bet. You are last to act, it costs you $1 into an $8 pot. You're getting 8:1 on your money.
Example of a raise with 3 callers for a total of $2 each. You are last to act, it now costs you $2 into an $8 pot. You're getting 2:8 on your money now, or 1:4 simplified.
Even though the pot size is the same, your pot odds are cut in half.
Posted Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:08 am GMT by Always_Bored
Also if you have 8 people in on a drawing hand you have implied odds. You are mush more likely to get people that will put money in if you hit your straight or flush. Rather than 4 people in.
Posted Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:48 pm GMT by SteveF
Thanks. I was confusing pot odds with pot size and the last 3 replies help straighten me out.
I do appreciate the info.
Steve (learning as he goes along) F.
Note to snookins47: I don't think I heard anywhere, it was more of a "self made concept".
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