Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:59 pm GMT by Starfire
In Reno, 4 Q's on the flop with big bets ahead of me..
I picked up a stack of chips for a big raise. As I reached out to place the chips for the dealer to add to the pot, the bottom few chips fell to the table. I set down the stack and then added the dropped chips.
The dealer said, "illegal bet, you can't add those chips",
"That's a string bet"...
A big argument broke out, Called the pit boss, called the floor manager. I lost the argument... Sat there red faced and in a rage, the next card was delt and I bet big...
Everyone folded!
I lived in Reno for 10 years and never gave that dealer a toke again!
Check the rules before you sit down... 
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Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:10 pm GMT by Dave B
Are you a moron or a liar?
You flop quads and bet big? Why bet anything.....I would STILL be checking. Also, you still bet big, just not as much as you would have?
Also, it isnt the dealers fault for enforcing a well known rule. No need to punish him. BTW-if he hadnt called a string, someone else surely would have.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:19 pm GMT by Starfire
No one cares what you would do dimwit...
You don't know the difference between dropping a stack of chips and a string bet...
You play your game and I'll play mine...
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:35 pm GMT by Buffarino
| Starfire wrote: | No one cares what you would do dimwit...
You don't know the difference between dropping a stack of chips and a string bet...
You play your game and I'll play mine... |
Well, why did you bother to post if you don't want anyone to comment?
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:46 pm GMT by Starfire
Greetings, Buffarino...
I've carefully re-read my post and can't see anywhere saying I don't want comments...
How did you reach that conclusion?
I responded to a very rude person, who knew nothing of the situation.
My response was directly to that person and to no other in this forum.
Your post seems to be more or less meaningless...
Perhaps you should re-read the rude nasty post and respond to it!
Best Regards, Starfire...
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:52 pm GMT by Dave B
"As I reached out to place the chips for the dealer to add to the pot, the bottom few chips fell to the table. I set down the stack and then added the dropped chips. "
So did you drop a few or a stack? Pardon me for taking you literally.
For the record, was this limit, NL, do you think it is a good idea to bet out on the flop w/ quads, esp a large bet? I may not be the smartest man in the world, but it seems a bit odd to chase people off a hand that cannot be beat with a big bet. Then to call a floor over to insure that EVERYONE knows that you want to get every chip out there possible, you are just begging for lay downs.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:56 pm GMT by Iron Butt
This is why I like to declare my raises. It protects you from that, in fact when you declare your raise, you MUST complete your bet no matter how bad your hands are shaking LOL.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:14 pm GMT by Starfire
Limit game... I probably dropped about half of the stack.
A limit bet in front of me, a raise and 2 calls, on a flop that couldn't beat 4 Q's, If they want to play with me they have to pay, no free cards...
If they wanted to fold on my raise, fine, I already had enough money in the pot from them to satisfy me..
By the time it all got settled down, about 10 or 15 minutes, I was having a hard time remembering what casino I was in...
A rude arrogant dealer the was catering to a couple of friends, Off duty caniso employee's, and wouldn't have called it on them... It wasn't a string bet at all...
But, it looks as though some of you have missed the point of the post.
It's not about all of the technical details, it's about "Know the house rules and ways of doing things".
I got into it in a small club in "Douglas alley" in Reno one time up against a couple of house shills. On duplicate hands, I was told kickers don't count here, "Split the pot". I disagreed... They showed me the rules posted on a small card, I split the pot...
My post is about knowing your enviroment...
You folks can sit at your keyboard and try to hack me up, but I bet there are alot better things to do!
Regards...
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:41 pm GMT by Dave B
Fair enough, by saying "big raise" I was assuming NL.
I dont know man, I still smooth call w/ quads slow play until the bigger bets come out. Free cards? Let them have the entire deck! Sounds like you were in late position, slow play and hope that someone makes a boat, then crush them. You have great action w/ the absolute nuts, sure you took down a nice pot, but a hand like that can make the entire night, if you dont push others out of the way.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:45 pm GMT by Dr_Pablo
starfish, you wont make many friends by insulting dave B, he is the top poster, and most friendly/knowledgeable poster, If i were you i would re read his post then re read your own. It seems you are projecting your own feelings and think we are all as red with rage as you, you put a situational bias on it, and perhaps your right, but with the information you gave Dave b, in what way was he extremely rude. Not a good way to make your first posts.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:48 pm GMT by Starfire
Don't kid yourselves into thinking that card dealers are just good honest folk, earning a living on tokes...
Hah! A good many of them are just your common everyday petty evil hustler.
They may not start out that way...
I'm speaking from the experience of watching many of my own relatives (both by blood and marriage) and friends go through changes in there conduct and attitudes after getting a casino job...
I've listened to more than I wanted, as they laughed and talked about how they ripped and screwed a customer, and got toked too...
I have asked why do you feel this way about these players, when not long ago you were in their shoes...
The usual answer was" They thought they were good, Big time gamblers, I showed them".
You folks seem to be kinda naive!
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:51 pm GMT by Dave B
maybe it was the moron or liar part. Maybe I could have been more delicate.
After clarification (no big raise-limit, drop a few vs drop a stack), I would like to retract the liar comment.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:09 pm GMT by Starfire
Iron Butt...
You got the point exactly...
I learned a BIG BIG gut wrenching lesson on that evening...
I never ever touch my chips when my turn comes until I declare my check, fold, bet or raise!
It's been a few years since that incident, but remembering it in this forum is kinda making my stomache roll!
One time when I folded, I just flicked my discards toward the dealer and the hydro-planed all the way acress the table and into another players hand. He was looking away and didn't see it
The dealer looked at him and said your hand is dead you have to many cards. The players jaw dropped and he tossed in his cards. No, one said a word and I don't think he ever knew what happened.
That made me sick with embarresment as I looked across the table at the other players...
Live and learn, holds true, but sometimes it seem like it's hard getting to the learn part...
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:11 pm GMT by Iron Butt
Well no offense intended here, I intended my post to be mildly humorous and possibly helpful to anyone interested in the string bet issue.
What a game! 5 see the flop, you've got the deck crippled and everyone's calling two bets?? I dunno, I might have tried to get an extra bet there too since they're all obviously crazy...
Edit: I see our posts crossed, glad there was no misunderstanding.
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:29 pm GMT by Starfire
DR_Pablo...
It was your friend that started his reply with liar and moron, That's not friendly. If you can't recognize that as extremely rude, I question your social standards.
Dimwit is nowhere as rude as how he addressed me... He should make the decision as to whether he is offended or not, and not you making it for him... Also my name is not starfish.
Of course I projecting my own feelings, Who's feelings would I project? It has been quite a few years since I was red with rage over this.
I should commend you, for being a better person that most, as it appears that you are a person of such self control that anger doesn't exist in your world!
I must admit that I've become angry over various situations in my lifetime...
As far as my posts... I'll not give you advice on how to post, as it is clear in the forum rules of conduct, and no need for you to advise me either, as I don't hold to the view of "Newbies and forum Gods"...
Best Regards, Starfire
Posted Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:38 pm GMT by Starfire
Yea, Iron Butt...
What I had was 2 off duty casion employees still in their black and whites, winking and grinning at each other and pumping up their bets against the tourists.
What I really wanted to do was get up go around the table and nail'em with a baseball bat.
Each time they pulled something, I would look at the pit boss, but he just hard looked me...
I know, I know. "Just get up and leave".
But sometimes it takes time to figure it out, get it together and pull up stakes... Besides I wanted to stick it in'em and twist it off!
Regards...
Posted Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:43 pm GMT by Starfire
Greetings...
Several members don't seem to be able to even force themselves to understand my orignal post.
There was no string bet!
2 cheating steamrolling off duty employees were given a false call by their fellow employee, the dealer, to stop a playing customer from hammering them!
This was further abetted by a low leval manager, Pit boss... and a middle level manager... floor manager, By ruling for the cheaters.
I took this to the Nevada Gaming Commission and was refused review of my complaint.
My post concerns not the game but rather the enviroment, the player is in. It's fairly easy to stand back and second guess, not so easy when a player is in the middle of the turmoil.
Regards
Posted Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:33 am GMT by Dave B
I find this all so funny.
We should take a poll, do you hurt others more by milking them for every last dollar or by shoving them off a pot when you have QQQQ.
The idea that you showed them by raising them out before the river is insanity IMO. Why do you play, ego or money?
BTW-if you didnt verbalize the raise and dropped chips, that is the definately a string. If you happen to drop chips that you need to complete an unspoken raise, stop right there, dont put your hand out any further, and either verbalize the raise or pick up your chips before moving the chips in your hand any further. If you need to go back for chips after your bet/call had passed that imaginary line, that is a string.
Posted Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:56 pm GMT by ScanX
u wouldnt have had this problem in NL, you could have just moved all-in when u flopped those quads
... :)
Posted Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:16 pm GMT by flafishy
You've got a monster chip on your shoulder, my friend.
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:25 pm GMT by Dr_Pablo
well said flash,
also he needs to look up what projection is.
Your original post said nothing about dealer collusion ect, but now that you have clarified i can agree with your anger.
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