KEM's back in Production!!! |
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:57 am GMT by raistlin329
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NOTE: POST EDITED SO AS TO NOT BE SPAM - MY SINCERE APOLOGIES!
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Well, I've been a lurker on this board for the past couple of months - reading reviews on chips for purchases for my family and for my local poker league - found tons of great advice - thanks.
I also spent a lot of time researching the best plastic cards (KEM's, Copag, A+) and was looking around for the best deals on Kems (and Copags) for Christmas presents for some of my family - that research here led me to the Nice Toys website. I have looked all over the net, and they have the best deals I can find (including EBAY). The most exciting news is that they have brand new Bridge Size, Regular Index Red/Blue Arrows in stock! Yes, Brand New Arrows, RI!! I couldn't believe my eyes last night, so I called them this morning and, sure enough, they confirmed that US Playing Card CO has got them produced again. The lady I spoke to (who, by the way, was super nice and anwered all my questions about the KEM cards), told me she thinks they are the first retailer in the country to get them. I ordered a couple of sets of the arrows, a florence pinochle set for my dad, and a set of paisley's for my in-laws. The price was great too - only $19.95 for a double deck (I had to pay tax as they are in Houston and I'm in Fort Worth). Shipping should have them here before Christmas.
I totally lucked out on this find, the lady said they had just put the Arrows on the website yesterday (12/17/04). I asked her if I she minded me posting the link to their site and she said go for it. So, here you go: nicetoys.com - I assume they will sell out fast, so I wanted to let everyone here know about it (now that I've got my 2 sets - heh.).
Also, I ordered a set of Copag's (export style) for my brother-in-law on Ebay for only $14.95 (only 1 cent shipping via priority mail). Now I can finally answer, for myself, how the Copag's and KEM's compare head-to-head.
I'll post that review when I have both in-hand.
-Stephen "Raistlin329"
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:39 pm GMT by Fat Tony
this is nothing but pure spam. who exactly did you think you were going to fool with such a lame-ass attempt at making your spam post look like something else?
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:59 pm GMT by Guest
| Fat Tony wrote: | | this is nothing but pure spam. who exactly did you think you were going to fool with such a lame-ass attempt at making your spam post look like something else? |
Wow - wasn't expecting this kind of reaction on my first post. I was genuinely excited to hear that KEM's are back in production. After reading every KEM (and plastic card) related post on this board, I thought others who have followed the KEM story would be interested to know that they are shipping and in production again. It was not my intent to spam at all - I was shocked to find that I've been banned - wow.
Please feel free to remove any mention of the website selling the KEM cards from my post - my intent was to let everyone know that they are back in production. I am not in ANY was affiliated with the website in mention and only listed them becuase I have seen others here on this very same board link to sites that have great deals on KEM cards. AND, $19.99 for a deck of regular index, bridge size KEM Arrow cards is a good deal.
For a mod, I thought you'd at least take the time to research what I was saying was total truth, and not a blatant spam before, you went off and banned me and labeled me a spammer.
-Stephen "raistlin329"
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:05 pm GMT by Guest
p.s. If I were a spammer would I take the time to write such a detailed (and totally true, I might add) and eleaborate story? Wouldn't I have mis-spellings all over the damn place?
Sorry, hard to let this one go, especially when I got banned without at least a courtesy email and my username is now labeled with "Spamming Assclown". I know you don't know me from Adam, and you could give a crap what I think, but I took this as a shot to my personal integrity.
Again, sorry if I came across as a spam - not my intent. Mods - please email me directly if you'd like to hear my side of the story - I really would like to be un-banned and contribute in the future to this board.
-Stephen "raistlin329" aka the "Spamming Assclown" lol - that one is kinda funny I guess I can admit that.
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:08 pm GMT by Guest
Fat tony does this in ton's of threads. I found your post helpful. What is weird is that instead of simply editing posts Fat Tony likes to make these crazy accusations.
Feel free to ignore him.
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:14 pm GMT by Guest
| Anonymous wrote: | Fat tony does this in ton's of threads. I found your post helpful. What is weird is that instead of simply editing posts Fat Tony likes to make these crazy accusations.
Feel free to ignore him. |
Thanks - I wish I could just ignore the situation, but I was completely banned. I just checked the Forum Rules (which I probably should have had the foresight to check before I posted, but you live and learn) and it does mention Blatant Advertising as including an affiliate link. I didn't include one, but I did say to mention that I sent you (even though, until this morning the website in question had no idea who I was), mistake on my part. I wish he could just remove that last line or mention of the website that sells the new KEM's. Problem is - I can't even message the Admin's to discuss (as advised to over disagreements in the Foum Rules) as I can't login after being banned. Oh well, hopefully an Admin will see this and email me directly...
-Raisltin32
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:21 pm GMT by galderon
Welcome to the board, Raisltin32!
Yeah, Tony is aggressive against spammers because the board gets spammed so much. Your post contained both praise about a product, and a link to a retailer where you can purchase the product, and it was your very first post, all of which tend to indicate spam.
Hopefully the situation can get resolved and you can get reinstated. I look forward to reading more of your posts on the board.
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:36 pm GMT by MasterShake
| Anonymous wrote: | Fat tony does this in ton's of threads. I found your post helpful. What is weird is that instead of simply editing posts Fat Tony likes to make these crazy accusations.
Feel free to ignore him. |
Why are you posting as a guest? You get banned too?
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:54 pm GMT by Fat Tony
| Anonymous wrote: | Fat tony does this in ton's of threads. I found your post helpful. What is weird is that instead of simply editing posts Fat Tony likes to make these crazy accusations.
Feel free to ignore him. |
i see that you are too spineless to sign your name to this, so it will be ignored. 
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:05 pm GMT by Fat Tony
| Quote: | | If I were a spammer would I take the time to write such a detailed (and totally true, I might add) and eleaborate story? Wouldn't I have mis-spellings all over the damn place? |
actually, this has happened on numerous occasions.
| Quote: | | For a mod, I thought you'd at least take the time to research what I was saying was total truth, and not a blatant spam before, you went off and banned me and labeled me a spammer. |
you posted links and said tell them that stephen sent you. what else did you expect me to do? e-mail you and the site and sit around for god knows how long waiting for a reply? sorry, decisions have to be made. oh, and affiliate links aren't the only things that are considered unacceptable, any advertising is not allowed. (mods do have some discretion to grant exceptions, but they are few and far between)
| Quote: | | I just checked the Forum Rules (which I probably should have had the foresight to check before I posted, but you live and learn) and it does mention Blatant Advertising as including an affiliate link. I didn't include one, but I did say to mention that I sent you (even though, until this morning the website in question had no idea who I was), mistake on my part. |
correct. i was going to let it go, but the say stephen sent you part made me change my mind. the fact that it was also your first post (when most spam occurs) didn't help either.
| Quote: | | I wish he could just remove that last line or mention of the website that sells the new KEM's. |
i have un-banned you, so please do this.
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:58 pm GMT by raistlin329
| Fat Tony wrote: |
| Quote: | | I wish he could just remove that last line or mention of the website that sells the new KEM's. |
i have un-banned you, so please do this. |
Thank you Fat Tony! I have removed all links to the website selling the Kems and "to tell them that I sent you there". I truly do feel it is in the best intered of the members here to be be informed of this great news (that KEM's are back in production and can be purchased). I hope my "hint" as to how to find the website by searching thru this forum is an acceptable solution. If not, I'll remove that too.
btw: Can I keep the name "Spamming Assclown"? Ok, maybe just the "Assclown" part - it's pretty damn funny! 
Posted Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:14 pm GMT by Fat Tony
| raistlin329 wrote: | | Fat Tony wrote: |
| Quote: | | I wish he could just remove that last line or mention of the website that sells the new KEM's. |
i have un-banned you, so please do this. |
Thank you Fat Tony! I have removed all links to the website selling the Kems and "to tell them that I sent you there". I truly do feel it is in the best intered of the members here to be be informed of this great news (that KEM's are back in production and can be purchased). I hope my "hint" as to how to find the website by searching thru this forum is an acceptable solution. If not, I'll remove that too.
btw: Can I keep the name "Spamming Assclown"? Ok, maybe just the "Assclown" part - it's pretty damn funny! |
hint away! you could even do it like this..... nicetoys.com and there is no actual link. you can keep the "spamming assclown" title if you want. LOL.
(it was not necessary to post an apology so you can remove it if you wish to do so. i think we understand where the other is coming from now)
**note to spammers**
posting like this.... nicetoys.com and not actually linking is still not allowed if it's affiliate links, etc. this only works for member posts that are not advertising.
Posted Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:51 am GMT by mindgame
Okay, I guess I've been asleep at the switch, but Tony is all over spammers and this ended up getting sorted out.
I'd just like to make two points.
1) I was the very first person to call anyone an "ass clown" on this forum. I think this makes me WAY cool inasmuch as I am widely known to be an old fart, not typically hip to all the lingo current in the generation which frequents the site. I also thought Office Space was, pretty much, a total waste of time and that Jennifer Aniston (? sp) ought to get a damn hair cut, which is going to cost me major coolness points, but, Hey, everyone here knows I call 'em as I see 'em.
2) I've played with Kems, and like them a bunch at the casino. But a friend has some and we noticed that something as simple as red pop stains them so bad that the deck becomes useless. At the casino if something like this happens they just holler and tell the floorman they need a blue-back 5 of clubs, and Bingo...we are back in business. But man, you only own 104 cards at $10/deck and you are in a serious world of hurt when one of these things gets trashed...
So WHY spend that kind of money when you can bet a dozen bicycle decks at Sams or Costco for $15?
Posted Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:23 pm GMT by PanthersHUTCH15
The reason I buy KEMs is because it has saved me money. This may not be the case for some, but for me a deck of cheap cards would last maybe a few home games, then have to be pitched. I am on my fifth month of using KEM cards and I am still using the same two decks that came in my pack with no problems. I figure since buying the KEMs, I would have had to go through 5-10 decks of the cheap cards, which would have me spending 20-30 dollars, which is more than I spent on my KEM cards, and I plan on using the KEMs until they are unplayable, which appears to be several more months of not buying new cards.
I understand some have problems with spills but I have trays set up around my table so that nobody sets there drink on my table, or nobody drinks over my table because I'm not having someone spill a beverage on my table, chips, or cards.
Posted Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:45 pm GMT by pocket_aces
| PanthersHUTCH15 wrote: | The reason I buy KEMs is because it has saved me money. This may not be the case for some, but for me a deck of cheap cards would last maybe a few home games, then have to be pitched. I am on my fifth month of using KEM cards and I am still using the same two decks that came in my pack with no problems. I figure since buying the KEMs, I would have had to go through 5-10 decks of the cheap cards, which would have me spending 20-30 dollars, which is more than I spent on my KEM cards, and I plan on using the KEMs until they are unplayable, which appears to be several more months of not buying new cards.
I understand some have problems with spills but I have trays set up around my table so that nobody sets there drink on my table, or nobody drinks over my table because I'm not having someone spill a beverage on my table, chips, or cards. |
I agree, before I started using Kem's I'd be lucky to get one or two nights of poker out of a regular paper deck (bee, bicycle, etc.) before cards are dogeared or creased, basically unplayable. Maybe the guys I play with are rougher on cards than some, I don't know. I have around six decks of Kem's that all still look brand new after playing for months at least two nights a week. Kem's hold up better for me so that's what I use.
By the way Raistlin, any word from the company you purchased from who I will not mention the name of, on when they'll start getting the wide size arrow's? I'd pick up some of the bridge but I already have enough of them for now.
Posted Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:13 pm GMT by Guest
there are two sets of rules on these forums. people like Paul-Son chips get away with blatant advertising of thier own stuff. dont ask me why there are 2 sets of rules there just is. if any normal person made the slightest mistake, they are banned. but these "chip dealers" who use the boards for their own self interests are free to do whatever they please. this is the reason why i havent registered yet. too much BS to deal with. and hey, if they let u post without registering then whats even the point of registering at all?
Posted Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:42 pm GMT by Abused Rib
Well, I'd like to say thanks, because I had been searching for this particular design for hours. Just in time for Christmas.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:09 am GMT by TenPercenter
| raistlin329 wrote: | ***
NOTE: POST EDITED SO AS TO NOT BE SPAM - MY SINCERE APOLOGIES!
***
Well, I've been a lurker on this board for the past couple of months - reading reviews on chips for purchases for my family and for my local poker league - found tons of great advice - thanks.
I also spent a lot of time researching the best plastic cards (KEM's, Copag, A+) and was looking around for the best deals on Kems (and Copags) for Christmas presents for some of my family - that research here led me to the Nice Toys website. I have looked all over the net, and they have the best deals I can find (including EBAY). The most exciting news is that they have brand new Bridge Size, Regular Index Red/Blue Arrows in stock! Yes, Brand New Arrows, RI!! I couldn't believe my eyes last night, so I called them this morning and, sure enough, they confirmed that US Playing Card CO has got them produced again. The lady I spoke to (who, by the way, was super nice and anwered all my questions about the KEM cards), told me she thinks they are the first retailer in the country to get them. I ordered a couple of sets of the arrows, a florence pinochle set for my dad, and a set of paisley's for my in-laws. The price was great too - only $19.95 for a double deck (I had to pay tax as they are in Houston and I'm in Fort Worth). Shipping should have them here before Christmas.
I totally lucked out on this find, the lady said they had just put the Arrows on the website yesterday (12/17/04). I asked her if I she minded me posting the link to their site and she said go for it. So, here you go: nicetoys.com - I assume they will sell out fast, so I wanted to let everyone here know about it (now that I've got my 2 sets - heh.).
Also, I ordered a set of Copag's (export style) for my brother-in-law on Ebay for only $14.95 (only 1 cent shipping via priority mail). Now I can finally answer, for myself, how the Copag's and KEM's compare head-to-head.
I'll post that review when I have both in-hand.
-Stephen "Raistlin329" |
I'm very much interested to see the new cards! Can you do me a favor and post a link to this site? Don't post an affiliate link so you don't get yanked. You can PM me your affiliate link if you like, I'd be happy to buy through that link so you get credit for the time you spent posting this about the new KEM cards.
Thanks,
Ten
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:50 am GMT by Guest
It was never an affiliate link in the first place. That's why it's so ridiculously funny!! That people like PaulsonsChips and MSPatton can spam their wares 'til the cows come home but regular people get banned for sharing USEFUL information.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:58 am GMT by Fat Tony
no, it was not an actual affilliate link, but there were other factors that have now been cleared up made it look like he was with the site in question. if you have other issues with what is allowed and what isn't, post using your name instead of hiding behind "guest" like a coward. if you have legitimate questions, they will be answered, but anyone who won't put their name on a post is basically going to be ignored. it seems like you have an axe to grind here. why don't you stop hiding behind the "guest" label and stand behind what you are saying?
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:20 am GMT by TenPercenter
| Anonymous wrote: | | It was never an affiliate link in the first place. That's why it's so ridiculously funny!! That people like PaulsonsChips and MSPatton can spam their wares 'til the cows come home but regular people get banned for sharing USEFUL information. |
I get your point. But honestly, I've seen PaulsonsChips tout his wares only when it was relevant. And MSPatton? I didn't even know he was a seller for the longest time. I've never seen a spam from him, but I have seen many, many useful posts from him. I could be wrong... but I do read this forum a lot...
Ten
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:22 am GMT by TenPercenter
| Fat Tony wrote: | | no, it was not an actual affilliate link, but there were other factors that have now been cleared up made it look like he was with the site in question. if you have other issues with what is allowed and what isn't, post using your name instead of hiding behind "guest" like a coward. if you have legitimate questions, they will be answered, but anyone who won't put their name on a post is basically going to be ignored. it seems like you have an axe to grind here. why don't you stop hiding behind the "guest" label and stand behind what you are saying? |
Tony, as a man in power, can you put a good word in to have the "guest posting" privileges removed from the board? I think that'd go a long way towards legitimacy.
Ten
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:41 am GMT by Fat Tony
it has been requested, but i have not recieved an answer yet.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:06 am GMT by Guest
A little MSPatton Spam
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t5264/copag-plastic-cards?start=0
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:42 am GMT by Fat Tony
until you stop being such a coward and hiding behind "guest", your complaints will NOT be considered.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:17 pm GMT by TenPercenter
(Whoever this is), I can see how you can infer that it was spam, but remember that there were many conversations about Copags and KEMS around that time. And he linked to a photo, not a product page. You actually had to do some work to find the page where he sells them. To me, he was trying to relay info, and AVOID getting accused as a spammer. He did what I would do... and avoided nabbing someone else's photo of the Copags.
Ten
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:24 pm GMT by Juliea344
For what it's worth, I concur with "guest". Only because I have been asked for information in the past and then when I give it, I get accused of trying to advertise for free. It's not like I started the thread myself (as in the case of the above link). Oh well, whatever.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:33 pm GMT by redd38
Why does the nicetoys website still say
"As many of you may already know, Kem is not currently in production. In fact, they haven't been produced in months and it is not certain when they will be available again - if ever. We highly recommend buying as many sets or decks as you can afford. You may not get another chance to own true Kem playing cards."
if they are so proud of being the only supplier of new KEMs in the country?
maybe when I'm in Houston next I'll check them out
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:59 pm GMT by DaBear
Some KEM info from another forum
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1413805&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:55 pm GMT by jalsing
| redd38 wrote: | | maybe when I'm in Houston next I'll check them out |
Their website indicates they're a mail order site only, no warehouse visits. Otherwise I'd stop by for a look see myself.
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:06 pm GMT by PanthersHUTCH15
This spam discussion is nuts. If the post comes at an appropriate time and provides a link, it is not spam to me. PaulsonChips and MSPatton contribute good information to the board, and if they see or here of something that they are sure everyone would like to know, I want them to post it!
Posting things like "I just ordered some chips tell me what you think" and then inside it says "I got them for only 49.99 at this website and here is the link. If you don't like these they also carry the following chips and are offering free shipping. what a deal!!!". That is what should not be allowed.
People who are members and contribute good information to the board should not be accused of spamming when when they only advertises great deals that have come at a time where people are all discussing that product, in this case, KEM cards and Copag's have been discussed a lot recently, so MSPatton has 2 decks for 15 dollars at his site and knows everyone would be interested, so he posts it. Keep it up please MS.
Thanks
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:28 pm GMT by Scott1101
Ok, so what's the verdict here? Are KEMs being produced by this American Card co and marketed by "nicetoys.com" just poser garbage that slaps the KEM name on it? Or are they the real thing?
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:04 pm GMT by Juliea344
Someone I know called USPC Co. and was told they are not going to be in production until 2005. They were also told to expect to pay $5 more per set. Who knows what to believe?
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:10 pm GMT by raistlin329
My KEM's should be arriving any day now, My Copags (that I also ordered on Saturday) arrived in the mail today (wow, fast service from an EBAY seller!). The Copag's are a Christmas gift for my brother-in-law so I can't opem them yet. I will compare the KEM vs Copags when I have them both in hand and have tried them out. I will post a review to this site. I also found Royal's online for super cheap - I will also be buying some of these - My goal is to find the best cost/quality ratio for my home poker league that I am starting.
As for the "New Kem Arrows" vs Old KEMs... I have never played with a plastic card set before, so I won't be able to say offhand if the new arrows are of lesser quality than the original KEM Arrows. However, I also ordered a set of the Florence (Pinochle) for my dad and the Paisley for my in-laws - I'm assuming both still remain from the old KEM production (Nice Toys gave me the impression that ONLY the Arrows were new produciton). So, I can compare the quality between the Arrows and the Florence/Paisley to see if there is indeed a difference between the original KEMs and the US Playing Card Co produced ones. I'll report back sometime after Christmas (after my family opens their gifts).
I don't think there is yet a definitive answer from anyone in the "know" what US Playing Card Co is doing right now. Did they simply buy the KEM name and equipment and are making their own KEM quality cards branded with the KEM Logo? Or, did the also buy the KEM process for making the cards too and the new KEMs should be exactly identical? Who knows - I guess time will tell for sure.
Someone did ask why not just use Casino playing cards instead of the more expensive plastic cards. Well, from my research, and what somone else noted, the cost/quality ratio fo Plastics blows away Paper cards. I 100% use re-cycled casino cards for poker and casual home card playing. They are great for a little while, but very quickly get sticky, marked up, then become worthless. The price of recycled casino cards ($1 at Dollar Store and more at retail places) and Bicycle and Bees are usually about $2 retail - when you add up the price of these vs the cost and playing life of the plastics - the plastics win hands down (Royals cost about the same per deck as Bicycles). Plus - the plastics can be washed and take more abuse (no dog earring, clipped corners, etc...). That's why I'm swithing to exclusively Plastic.
"Why does the Nice Toys site say that the KEMs are out of production, yet contradict themselves with a link to the "New Kem Arrows"?" My guess is that they are just no overly concerned with updating their site. If you've been to their site you know their wesbite is not their main concern (IMO it's a pretty crappy site as far as looks are concerned). I'd say they are more concerned with pushing high quantities of low cost items than having a snazzy website.
For those who missed the link to the Nice Toys website - it's in my original post. It's not very hard to figure out - combine "nice" with "toys" and add a ".com"  Also, I have no affiliate link - just visit the site - it's not very hard to find the category that the KEM cards are listed under.
Anything I forgot to answer 
-Raistlin329
Posted Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:13 pm GMT by PocketRocket
I agree. I've seen Julie jumped upon for spamming when she has posted perfectly innocent postings that may have made minor references to her online store. I'm inclined to believe that there may have been some overzealousness that may have precipitated the flames in this thread, while some forum participants post with obvious commercial interests with impunity.
| Juliea344 wrote: | | For what it's worth, I concur with "guest". Only because I have been asked for information in the past and then when I give it, I get accused of trying to advertise for free. It's not like I started the thread myself (as in the case of the above link). Oh well, whatever. |
Posted Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:34 am GMT by Scott1101
| PocketRocket wrote: | I agree. I've seen Julie jumped upon for spamming when she has posted perfectly innocent postings that may have made minor references to her online store. I'm inclined to believe that there may have been some overzealousness that may have precipitated the flames in this thread, while some forum participants post with obvious commercial interests with impunity.
| Juliea344 wrote: | | For what it's worth, I concur with "guest". Only because I have been asked for information in the past and then when I give it, I get accused of trying to advertise for free. It's not like I started the thread myself (as in the case of the above link). Oh well, whatever. |
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Folks, I think what it comes down to is that this board like many other places has VIPs and people in charge that set the rules. If you go to a popular club on a Saturday night, you might see some people getting to cut the line or go in through a private entrance while you stand in the cold for an hour for the privilege of paying an expensive cover. Does that sound unfair? Maybe so, but you have the right to protest by not going to that club. Chances are, they won't miss your business.
Same thing goes for this board. Fat Tony and Geno and all the other admins/mods/whatever they're called choose to allow certain people to post items that may be considered SPAM if they are posted by someone else. The Paulson chip guys and the other people you mention are probably friends of the Admins, or have posted several hundred times, or for whatever reason are allowed to post spam-related messages.
It's the privilege of the people running this msg board to moderate as they see fit. If your message is deleted because Fat Tony thinks it's spam, then just deal with it or go to the two-plus-two forums, ninja poker, or any of the other dozens of poker forums that are active nowadays.
Posted Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:28 pm GMT by Guest
ninja poker? can't find it.
Posted Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:34 pm GMT by Fat Tony
it's not solely up to me to decide what is or is not allowed to be posted. there is a chain-of-command in place. Geno for example, can over-rule me at any time and Adam and Carson of course can as well. quite often i will discuss stuff that is borderline with Geno beforehand and we will come to a mutual decision. is someone who is a regular contributor gonna get the benefit of the doubt on some borderline stuff that someone who is on their first post is not going to get?? probably. i usually look at whatever link has been posted and the posting history of the individual involved, etc. i also ask myself if the poster is getting any benefit from the site whose link was posted. there are some other factors to take into consideration as well, but those are the basics. if someone who has had action taken against can demonstrate that the action was not justified, i have no problem reversing my decision. (like in this instance) but no matter how the rules get enforced, SOMEONE is gonna be upset. we cannot make everyone happy no matter what we do.
Posted Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:09 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| mindgame wrote: | | So WHY spend that kind of money when you can bet a dozen bicycle decks at Sams or Costco for $15? |
I have 4 decks of kems. We have used one deck for 4 months now at least once a week and sometimes two or three times a week. 10 dollars for a deck of cards that lasts that long is worth it. And we are still not done with the first deck. It still looks and feels new. We would have spent more than 10 bucks on paper cards by now. Plus I just like the feel of kems way better than paper cards.
Posted Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:35 pm GMT by mindgame
This thread seems to br running merrily along in two directions at once.
On the subject of KEM's. . . I love using them at the casino. I was just concerned that a $10 investment could bet wiped out by a drop of red pop. I know my friend was heartbroken about it.
On the subject of spamming...well we seem to have some people a little put off by what we allow and what we don't. But the spam call is a judgement call here, since we are frequently talking about chips and sharing info on where to buy them. We're human. We feel we know someone and we begin to trust them. MS Patton is certainly a case in point--in my humble opinion he has not taken advantage of that trust. When you know people and trust them, you give them the benefit of the doubt. Is that always fair? Maybe not...but it's normal human behavior.
What is intolerable is blatant hype or misrepresentation. That gets squashed immediately. Beyond that we listen to you guys and usually respond as needed. (That's me....but I'm a little slow on the draw. Tony...well, maybe he shoots first and asks questions later. I haven't seen him out of line though, so things seem to get handled well enough.)
Anyway, address all complaints to upper management. They are then sent to a central clearinghouse and disregarded.
Posted Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:08 am GMT by ncskiier
I've commented on the moderation/spamming issue before so I won't go there. As far as the quality of Kems, I've bought several sets in the last year and they were all of less than perfect quality, red ink spots, etc. I have now totally converted to Copags. Every card is perfect and I think they are just as good as Kems in every way. Now it's being reported that Kems may go up in price. Are they on crack? Copag is already on their heels. I don't know why anyone would waste their $ on Kems. Has anyone ever had a problem with Copag? And no, I don't work for Copag.
Posted Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:16 am GMT by Juliea344
| ncskiier wrote: | | I have now totally converted to Copags. Every card is perfect and I think they are just as good as Kems in every way. |
Ncskiier, I have more where those came from
Posted Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:28 am GMT by ncskiier
If you can beat the ebay price of $15 shipped p.m. me. I don't want you getting accused of spam.
Posted Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:35 am GMT by Juliea344
| ncskiier wrote: | | If you can beat the ebay price of $15 shipped p.m. me. I don't want you getting accused of spam. |
Oh, I thought we crossed paths on ebay. Perhaps there is another
ncskiier out there....
I was just teasing anyway.
Posted Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:28 pm GMT by ncskiier
I'm the only one on ebay. Don't tell me you remember every customer's name.
Posted Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:59 pm GMT by Juliea344
I see your screen name on this forum frequently so it would be easy to remember seeing it somewhere else.
Posted Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:20 am GMT by lilkid
Well I just have to say at my home games I play at, my house uses Copags and my friend Nick uses Kems, and I found that both are 10000 fold better then any paper card and buying paper cards prior to learning of plastic cards would have burned a hole in my pocket. While I do like the prestige of KEM, I think Copags are just as good but at a much cheaper price (i got mine for 12 bucks for a set of 2 at store in a mall, if anyone wants to know the name I dont wana get hit with "your spaming"). I've had my two "peace" decks for over 4 months now and they are STILL in "brand new" condition. Just my .02 that if your gonna go plastic cards, go with copags their cheaper and just as good as KEMS.
Posted Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:15 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
I just got 5 double decks of KEMs (U.S playing card) And they seem to be just as good as the old ones! I was afraid after hearing horror stories, but mine are GREAT!
I also got a deck of Copags from MSPATTON, and I am really impressed!
Posted Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:05 pm GMT by Jimpoker123
| mindgame wrote: | Okay, I guess I've been asleep at the switch, but Tony is all over spammers and this ended up getting sorted out.
I'd just like to make two points.
1) I was the very first person to call anyone an "ass clown" on this forum. I think this makes me WAY cool inasmuch as I am widely known to be an old fart, not typically hip to all the lingo current in the generation which frequents the site. I also thought Office Space was, pretty much, a total waste of time and that Jennifer Aniston (? sp) ought to get a damn hair cut, which is going to cost me major coolness points, but, Hey, everyone here knows I call 'em as I see 'em.
2) I've played with Kems, and like them a bunch at the casino. But a friend has some and we noticed that something as simple as red pop stains them so bad that the deck becomes useless. At the casino if something like this happens they just holler and tell the floorman they need a blue-back 5 of clubs, and Bingo...we are back in business. But man, you only own 104 cards at $10/deck and you are in a serious world of hurt when one of these things gets trashed...
So WHY spend that kind of money when you can bet a dozen bicycle decks at Sams or Costco for $15? |
No you didn't. The word assclown was first used by Chris Jericho on wwe smackdown. You didn't make it up. Assclown was made famous by Chris Jericho.
Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:53 pm GMT by agentjack
I was at Mandalay bay a few days ago and one of the tables were using a set of plastic bees. The back of the cards had the exact same Casino Circle pattern that you usually see with kems but on the Ace of Spades AND the Ace of hearts (it may of been all the aces but I am sure one of the red Aces had it) it had "Bee" printed under the middle pip. The face card graphics also seemed to be a little different than the KEM graphics and I am guessing they are the usually BEE, Bicycle face card graphics.
I did not get a chance to really study it since it might seem kind of wierd to pull the entire card up to my eyes and study it close.
When I played at another table they had the exact same "Casino Circle" back design but they were kem with the Ace of Spades saying "Kem"
I would really like a deck of the Bee style cards on the Kem Plastic but thought they might get mad if I grabed the cards and ran.
Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:58 pm GMT by PocketRocket
I'm not sure if some of the cards under the KEM name aren't being counterfeited. Recently I've seen some poker sized cards under KEM branding with the logos of current casinos (places like Palace Station in Vegas). These weren't 'retired' cards with shaved corners, but brand new decks. I didn't even know that KEM had started making poker sized decks again.
Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:16 pm GMT by redd38
| Jimpoker123 wrote: |
No you didn't. The word assclown was first used by Chris Jericho on wwe smackdown. You didn't make it up. Assclown was made famous by Chris Jericho. |
you took the time to post a reply but you didn't take the time to actually read what you're replying to??? kids these days
He didn't say he invented the word assclown, he just said he was the first to use it on this forum. He didn't say he popularized it the world over, he just said he was the first to use it on this forum. He didn't say... well all he said was he was the first to use it on this forum.
Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:35 pm GMT by MSPatton
Personally I do not believe that Kem cards are being counterfieted.
I think Kem closed out a ton of old inventory through a particular vendor
or this vendor had an extreme amount of old Kem inventory. I personally
bought over 1000 "Rope"decks from this vendor and all the Ace of Spades were
marked with the usual coding indicating they were over 15 years old. I
was also offered several thousand of the Casino Logo'd decks. I passed on
them as I did not want that many and the market could not support that
many at the price they were being sold for. The sellers on Ebay at BIN for $21.95
are not making over a dollar a set once all their costs are considered
And most are hiding the index's from you so you never know what you are
getting. How many "Poker" index'd sets do you think Kem made 15 years
ago. Most were "Blackjack" Index'd. All those decks are good, just be sure
you know what index you are getting on your "Poker Wide Cards" they very
well could be Blackjack cards
Caveat Emptor
Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:12 pm GMT by PocketRocket
I wasn't planning on buying any of them, but thanks for the update and explaination on this sudden flood. I guess they really didn't care about the casino logos and any prior agreements if they were made over 15 years ago. Thanks again.
| MSPatton wrote: | Personally I do not believe that Kem cards are being counterfieted.
I think Kem closed out a ton of old inventory through a particular vendor
or this vendor had an extreme amount of old Kem inventory. I personally
bought over 1000 "Rope"decks from this vendor and all the Ace of Spades were
marked with the usual coding indicating they were over 15 years old. I
was also offered several thousand of the Casino Logo'd decks. I passed on
them as I did not want that many and the market could not support that
many at the price they were being sold for. The sellers on Ebay at BIN for $21.95
are not making over a dollar a set once all their costs are considered
And most are hiding the index's from you so you never know what you are
getting. How many "Poker" index'd sets do you think Kem made 15 years
ago. Most were "Blackjack" Index'd. All those decks are good, just be sure
you know what index you are getting on your "Poker Wide Cards" they very
well could be Blackjack cards
Caveat Emptor |
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:33 pm GMT by MeridianFC
FWIW, I picked up a set up of the Copags from holdempokerchip.com (MS Patton if I'm not mistaken). I have to admit to being very impressed. Sure if you put a gun to my head I'd still prefer KEMs, but for the price I think I'm gonna be a Copag man from here on out.
Posted Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:42 pm GMT by Dre0000
I just recieved a set of the new US Playing Card Co Kems (Arrow, R&B, Narrow) and a set of the old Kems (Casino Club, G&Br, Narrow). I can say they are very similar. The new ones don't come with a card replacement guarantee, and are much slicker right out of the box. The old ones were sort of rough at first, but got better with a little use. The old ones have a sort of toxic odor to them that the new ones lack. The new ones seem slicker, but have a way of "snapping" back into alignment after a riffle shuffle. The white areas on the new ones are definitely a brighter white, and the printing seems crisper.
Both are GREAT decks, but the new US Playing Card Co are a bit better in my opinion.
Posted Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:15 pm GMT by Oriuki
How does one tell the difference between original Kem cards and the newer US Playing card version? I just bought a pair of double decks off ebay (Alhambra, Reg. Ind, Bridge) (Florence, 4Pip, Bridge) and it would be nice to evaluate them with knowledge of their origins.
The humidity theory on the bowing makes sense. I live in St. Louis, notorious for its humidity, and my current kem decks are severely bowed. Might have to start storing my decks in the freezer.
Posted Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:58 pm GMT by Dre0000
The easiest way is to look at the Ace of Spades. This is a quote from the old Kem website:
| Quote: | Determining the Age of Your Cards
If you take a look at your ace of spades or the replacement order card included with your deck, you will find a three- or four-digit number. On your ace of spades, it will be to the right or left of the spade stem. Depending on when your deck was made, you will see one of two code systems. The first system consists of three or four numbers which represent the month and year of manufacture. (Example: 1086 represents October 1986.) Our second coding method consists of a letter and number sequence, with letters representing year of manufacture (A=1998, B=1999, C=2000, D=2001). |
If it's the new US Playing Card Co kind, it will say so on the Ace of Spades.
Posted Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:05 pm GMT by Dre0000
By the way, they use Bicycle cards throughout the entire movie "Rounders."
That is, until the climax when the main character finally gets a tell on his nemesis and turns his game around. Magically, they are suddenly playing with a sweet deck of blue bridge size Kem Arrows.
Posted Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:00 pm GMT by b21bballer
^ No, the deck thats in KGB's place in always a KEM deck.
Posted Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:43 pm GMT by Dre0000
You're right. My mistake.
Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:31 am GMT by duma
could this be the US Playing Cards new line of "Kems". are they trying to phase out Kems altogether? i wasnt one of the lucky ones to get the Arrows from nicetoys, now that they are all sold out, and dont know where else to get them.
these Casino Diamond line of cards look good imo. and btw, they are used in the show Tilt. it wont be long before we will be seeing these in the card rooms.
Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:37 am GMT by Prettey Toney
Not a chance,
These are not new kems. These are the USPC's original plastix. I've seen these (but not played with) and to be honest they are quite nice, but a little dry for me.
I've seen the new "kem's" They were everything kem (including the circleback club design), but with a "bee" ace of spades and USPS Q, K, J, and jokers.
I've seen them from a vendor who attended a convention and at the alladin hotel, who already had them in circulation in the card room. No difference from kem.
I was told however, that red/blue designs on club cards will not be made available only to the casinos, and not the public. I heard there will be a silver/black design and the brown/green. But this is what I heard, so don't hold me to it.
Anyone tried the "del toros" yet. I may have to buy some and review those with everyone. I've heard that they are nice.
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