Posted Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:10 am GMT by yeltzen
This show... is a joke, right? Please... for the love of God... tell me this is a joke.
Guy: "Did you even look at your cards?"
Tough poker player cool guy: "No. I saw your face when you looked at yours."
Give me a fscking break.
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Posted Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:20 am GMT by Dr_Pablo
i know Caro would believe thats possible, it takes balls, but im sure its been done.
Back to reality, yea thats pretty bs for a pro to do. but what can you really do about it? ESPN has to create there tragic hero characters with there fearlous play, and one flaw.
Posted Sat Dec 25, 2004 8:30 am GMT by campbeas
I've played home games where I played most of the night completely blind. Didn't look at my until the guys got very annoyed at loosing. I think at one point I had won 5 hands in a row and they were seriously pissed off. and them being my friends I started playing for real.
I'm not saying I was able to read them....well sometimes I could but really I'm not that good of a poker player yet. But I'm working on it. For the most part I was just really lucky, and the other half was them not being able to try and read me.
I was playing blind and confident the whole time. How do you play against that? I was bettign up a storm based only on what was showing in the flop and the pure odds of me hitting something. It worked out well for that one night.
It was fun.
Posted Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:30 am GMT by yeltzen
I'm not saying that it can't happen, I'm just saying that ESPN could maybe TRY to make a show that isn't so freaking predictable.
"I've picked up a betting pattern on you."
"Oh yeah? I'm putting you all in... how's that fit my betting pattern."
WOW I TOTALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING GOOD JOB ROUNDERS DUDE!!
Posted Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:16 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| yeltzen wrote: | | I'm not saying that it can't happen, I'm just saying that ESPN could maybe TRY to make a show that isn't so freaking predictable. |
Have you even seen an episode yet, or is this based solely on the one or two crappy teasers of Michael Madsen mugging for the camera? Geez, wait till the thing actually airs before you rip it.
| yeltzen wrote: | "I've picked up a betting pattern on you."
"Oh yeah? I'm putting you all in... how's that fit my betting pattern."
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Sounds like the same trash talk you'd find at any $1/$2 NL table at the Trop on a Saturday night. I'm missing the part that's unrealistic.
Posted Sat Dec 25, 2004 8:03 pm GMT by gol4pro
Not to say that physical tells are unimportant or worthless.... but they're overrated. When Negreanu catches some ass bluffing him on the river, it's not because he was being insanely still; it's because his betting on that particular hand points more towards a bluff as opposed to the hand he's trying to represent.
The only problem is.... that doesn't make good TV for average joe... he likes to see a guy's nose twitch which gives away his A high flush.
Good TV is always unrealistic.
Posted Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:38 pm GMT by madmark27
I've seen other ESPN movies and the mini series "Playmakers". I actually liked PLAYMAKERS, JUNCTION BOYS, and the latest movie "3". Some of their others movies had horrible acting, cheesy lines, and bad story lines. The teasers for TILT suck. Maybe the actual show will be better, who knows?
Posted Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:48 pm GMT by yeltzen
| madmark27 wrote: | | Some of their others movies had horrible acting, cheesy lines, and bad story lines. |
The acting in this show looks to be even worse than the acting in "Hustle" or "Dude, Where's my Car?"
Posted Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:16 am GMT by The Pizzle
ya, im going to watch it when it comes out. even tho i feel that when you have to watch poker, watchin real poker like WSP or WPT is alote better, but wat can you do.
Posted Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:26 am GMT by MasterShake
| campbeas wrote: | I was playing blind and confident the whole time. How do you play against that? I was bettign up a storm based only on what was showing in the flop and the pure odds of me hitting something. It worked out well for that one night.
It was fun. |
How do you play the 'pure odds of hitting something' if you don't know what you have?
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:53 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I agree with yeltzen, this show does look like total crap. The WSOP as televised on ESPN has always been unrealistic enough for me.
Now for my prediction of what will happen to online poker in the months to come: more outragous bluffs, more terrible calls, more smack being talked, and more bad beats than ever before! Are you excited? I know I am.
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:07 pm GMT by flafishy
Come on, gang. Bad teasers don't necessarily mean the show is bad. It very well could mean only that the marketing people screwed up. It happens a lot in show biz.
Let's wait and see a couple of episodes and see those cringeworthy teaser scenes in context before passing judgement on it.
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:25 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Here's why I'm willing to jump to the conculsion that this show will suck: POKER IS NOT A SPECTATOR SPORT. Any realistic show about poker would be incredibly boring and no one would watch it.
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:08 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Here's why I'm willing to jump to the conculsion that this show will suck: POKER IS NOT A SPECTATOR SPORT. Any realistic show about poker would be incredibly boring and no one would watch it. |
Good thing it's a drama then. Do you think anyone would watch "ER" if it accurately portrayed what happens in a hospital emergency room?
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:35 pm GMT by flafishy
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Here's why I'm willing to jump to the conculsion that this show will suck: POKER IS NOT A SPECTATOR SPORT. Any realistic show about poker would be incredibly boring and no one would watch it. |
What? You'd rather see a realistic show about the mob or funeral homes or plastic surgeons or island castaways?
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:04 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| flafishy wrote: | | What? You'd rather see a realistic show about the mob or funeral homes or plastic surgeons or island castaways? |
Great point. A show about poker realistic or otherwise would be better than most of the alternatives on TV...but it would still suck.
| flafishy wrote: | Come on, gang. Bad teasers don't necessarily mean the show is bad. It very well could mean only that the marketing people screwed up. It happens a lot in show biz.
Let's wait and see a couple of episodes and see those cringeworthy teaser scenes in context before passing judgement on it. |
You're right we probably should save the ragging til we have proof that 'Tilt' is a terrible show.
Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:54 pm GMT by tomb1
Me, I'm gonna watch it the first time, and see how it is. Low expectations.
Then I guarantee that mucho threads will be started about "What chips are they using" and "How can I get chips like the ones on TILT?" :D (Has anybody figured that what chips they're using from the teasers? Now we have a new fantasy set opportunity for someone!)
BTW, Did anybody see the show "Dr. Vegas" with Rob Lowe? It was on a few months ago for 4-5 episodes before the network killed it abruptly. He had a gambling problem (among many other plot lines), and it showed him playing poker a few times.
- tomb
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:19 am GMT by JohnnyCache
I didn't see it. But I know for a fact it wasn't as good as 'Lucky.'
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:05 am GMT by saper88aa
I have seen DR Vegas. IT was kinda slly when he had to pick the lady or poker and he just went all in. I only saw one episode so i dunno. As for lucky this was a good show.Him winning the huge poker championship with a fake tell was kinda chessy but it was a good show,shame they took it off the air.
As for me, I can't wait for tilt.
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:27 am GMT by JohnnyCache
"So...you ready to give my bracelet back? I think I'm on a streak here. You sure you don't want to sell it back?"
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:42 am GMT by Cactus Jack
I have really no comment on Tilt, althought I too have low expectations. I just got around to watching Rounders. (I'd rather spend the two hours immersed in Small Stakes Hold 'Em, etc.) Believe it or not, I didn't really care for it. I like Matt Damon. A lot. But I thought a bunch of really good actors were pretty much wasted in a storyline that tried to do too much. The scene with Johnny Chan was excellent. Looking across the table into his eyes made my balls shrink. Would I want a Rounders 2? Yes, and no. Yes, I'd like to see Damon struggling to get to the top of the game in Vegas. No, I'd not like to see the climactic scene where he wins the WSOP, because we know that's what would happen, after Edward Norton gets him nearly kicked off for some reason that's so pathetic I'd want to puke.
Norton's character reminds me of the story of the scorpion and the frog. The scorpion is trying to get the frog to ferry him across the river. The frog is convinced the scorpion will sting him, but the scorpion says, "Why would I do that? We'll both die?" Halfway across, of course, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog's dying question is, "Why?" The scorpion shrugs, and says, "It's my nature."
Will TILT be as good? Probably not, which is way not good enough. Am I looking forward to the Madison Kid? Oh my GOD, NOOOO.
Posted Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:07 am GMT by flafishy
My New Year's Eve celebration was watching Rounders with my gf. OMG, just a tad more interesting than watching paint dry. That was the slowest-moving, most boring movie I've seen in a long time.
Posted Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:02 pm GMT by pckrfnrsty
I'm really suprised you guys didnt like rounders. My friends and I thought it was amazing. Not the type of of movie you watch every month, but when we do our all-nighters, we'll watch it. Gets you in the mood to play.
Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:10 am GMT by Cactus Jack
| pckrfnrsty wrote: | | I'm really suprised you guys didnt like rounders. My friends and I thought it was amazing. Not the type of of movie you watch every month, but when we do our all-nighters, we'll watch it. Gets you in the mood to play. |
Amazing? Name one thing that surprised you? Every scene was predictable. If he'd gotten into the game with the judges and DAs to win his stake, and they were ok with losing their money because he's a professional and they wanted to try to beat the pro, that would have been not only surprising--because it goes against the typical movie plot and because it's real life--but enjoyable. The whole movie was one long stereotype.
Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:55 am GMT by JohnnyCache
Well, duh. It's a pulp movie, man.
And remember, it came out long before this big boom in poker we're seeing lately. . .
Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:33 am GMT by flafishy
| JohnnyCache wrote: | Well, duh. It's a pulp movie, man.
And remember, it came out long before this big boom in poker we're seeing lately. . . |
Yes, it did. I wasn't so much bothered by the story and the plot as I was the fact that nearly every scene moved at a snail's pace.
Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:33 am GMT by Geno
| flafishy wrote: | | My New Year's Eve celebration was watching Rounders with my gf. OMG, just a tad more interesting than watching paint dry. That was the slowest-moving, most boring movie I've seen in a long time. |
You are clearly not a true believer  :D
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:27 pm GMT by Leon_the_Pro
| flafishy wrote: | | My New Year's Eve celebration was watching Rounders with my gf. OMG, just a tad more interesting than watching paint dry. That was the slowest-moving, most boring movie I've seen in a long time. |
That's why you boil it down to the essentials. I watch it in 35 minutes or so with a cheatsheet of times to skip to.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:55 am GMT by madmark27
| Cactus Jack wrote: | | Amazing? Name one thing that surprised you? Every scene was predictable. If he'd gotten into the game with the judges and DAs to win his stake, and they were ok with losing their money because he's a professional and they wanted to try to beat the pro, that would have been not only surprising--because it goes against the typical movie plot and because it's real life--but enjoyable. The whole movie was one long stereotype. |
It's Hollywood man! There are'nt a whole lot of movies that are'nt predictable. As with most movies, the whole point is to entertain, and I personally think it did a great job. I loved it.
Go rent a documentary or some WSOP videos if that's what you want.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:17 pm GMT by flafishy
I don't have a problem with predictable. I don't have a problem with weak plots. I enjoy a movie where it pulls me into its universe and makes me feel like I'm on a journey.
This one didn't do that for me. I just felt like I was wasting time watching these boring people trying to inject some excitement into their boring lives.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:03 pm GMT by Nut Flush
Hate to get back on topic here, but there is a preview show for "Tilt" on ESPN tonight (1/4/05) at 8pm est. Not sure of any details, my cable guide didn't give a description for it.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:50 pm GMT by Cactus Jack
| madmark27 wrote: | | Cactus Jack wrote: | | Amazing? Name one thing that surprised you? Every scene was predictable. If he'd gotten into the game with the judges and DAs to win his stake, and they were ok with losing their money because he's a professional and they wanted to try to beat the pro, that would have been not only surprising--because it goes against the typical movie plot and because it's real life--but enjoyable. The whole movie was one long stereotype. |
It's Hollywood man! There are'nt a whole lot of movies that are'nt predictable. As with most movies, the whole point is to entertain, and I personally think it did a great job. I loved it.
Go rent a documentary or some WSOP videos if that's what you want. |
Guess that's why I was a lousy novelist. I tried to actually write something good. Bet I could write a better Rounders II than the first.
Damon arrives in Vegas and struggles up through the limits. Meets, falls in love, supports her playing poker. She gets to the final table where she stares across at Johnny Chan and some Russian dude. They kick her ass. She and Damon live happily ever after dealing hold 'em at their casino in Aruba, enjoying her third-place 48 million. (There were 75,000 entries.)
Back on topic??? and lose my creative energy?
Posted Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:09 pm GMT by madmark27
CJ, you write that Rounders II and I'll check it out buddy. That does'nt sound like too bad of a plot. You have to somehow work John Turturro(Joey Knish), into the plot. Maybe he shows up in Aruba, steals the girl, but Ben Affleck shows up and HE and Matt Damon ride off into the sunset together.
As far as the topic goes...was the preview show any good? I was busy watching OU have their ass handed to them. Ashley Simpson...NOOOOOO!
Posted Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:23 pm GMT by EddieK76
I personally thought it loooked decent....I'll tune it to it just cause i'm a dork that loves anything poker related and the girl in it, isn't that bad lookin 
Posted Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:53 pm GMT by yeltzen
| EddieK76 wrote: | | I personally thought it loooked decent....I'll tune it to it just cause i'm a dork that loves anything poker related and the girl in it, isn't that bad lookin |
Meh, she's a slam-pig.
Posted Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:05 am GMT by Cactus Jack
| yeltzen wrote: | | EddieK76 wrote: | | I personally thought it loooked decent....I'll tune it to it just cause i'm a dork that loves anything poker related and the girl in it, isn't that bad lookin |
Meh, she's a slam-pig. |
Frantically paging through his Dictionary for the Non-Hip, Cactus Jack cries out in frustration. Is "slam-pig" good or bad????? I know English is a dynamic language, but have we run out of words so we now have to put two together to form a word which means the same as a hundred old words that don't require a hyphen?
Posted Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:10 am GMT by QuietOne
I laught so hard when I saw that chip (over and over and over and over). Why would any poker fan watch this? Poker is real with a combination of skill and luck and totally unpredictabe. The thing I love is when I watch poker on TV is the fact that its not scripted.
If you like TV drama's, yes, watch this show. But don't watch it because your a poker fan. This show just uses poker as a prop for some (and I'm guessing) real silly drama. Maybe good drama (but I doubt it from watching how bad Playmakers was).
Posted Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:35 am GMT by Nut Flush
Cactus,
"slam-pig
A highly unattractive or repulsive female who you would only have sex with if highly intoxicated or high off a particular drug."
You decide.
Oh yeah, ditch your "Dictionary for the Non-Hip" and just use www.urbandictionary.com
Posted Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:08 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Nut Flush wrote: | Cactus,
"slam-pig
A highly unattractive or repulsive female who you would only have sex with if highly intoxicated or high off a particular drug."
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leftovers
FWIW, the preview special made me less optimistic about the show. The drama itself may be OK, but the few poker scenes featured seemed to border on melodrama. I'll give it a watch for the next couple of weeks, but if the preview was any indication, I may not bother past that.
Oh, the Cloutier and Negreanu cameo was a riot:
Madsen: Hey TJ, Danny, you guys wanna sit in?
Negreanu: No thanks. I think I can find better spots.
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