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Posted Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:56 pm GMT by SCV15
I don't know if this information has been posted before but I wasn't able to find anything. I'm thinking about ordering some custom chipcos and I had a few questions. What is a typical price (with artwork included) for 500 chips? 1000? Also is Chipco flexible concerning edgespot designs? In other words, are they capable of printing essentially anything on the edge of the chip or are there limitations? Any other info would also be rather helpful.
thanks
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Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:28 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
TenPercenter and a couple other guys can give you much better details since they've gone through it, but I doubt you'll get reasonable pricing for an order that small (if Chipco would even accept the order). Most of the custom Chipco sets we've seen on the forum have been for group buys on the order of 10,000+ chips.
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:35 am GMT by TenPercenter
| SCV15 wrote: | I don't know if this information has been posted before but I wasn't able to find anything. I'm thinking about ordering some custom chipcos and I had a few questions. What is a typical price (with artwork included) for 500 chips? 1000? Also is Chipco flexible concerning edgespot designs? In other words, are they capable of printing essentially anything on the edge of the chip or are there limitations? Any other info would also be rather helpful.
thanks |
Right now, for 500 chips, you'll pay $1.10 per chip, plus shipping. For art, you'll pay $189 setup per face that is unique. The actual artwork is free. You can pretty much put anything on the edges, including text.
If you go through homepokerchips.com, you'll pay about .10 or .15 less per chip, but around the same for art. You'll be more limited on the art since you've get only two revisions whereas at Chipco you'll have no limit on revisions. You'll also have to pay upfront at homepokerchips, and at Chipco you'll pay zero until you approve the art and place the order.
Ten
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:38 am GMT by tabascojrc
artwork fees depend on how your chips are setup too. same design different colors will be cheaper than a different design on each chip. you will probably be better going through homepokerchips.com.
http://www.homepokerchips.com/order.htm
Chipco doesn't discount their chips at all. hence the 1.10 price.
thechipstore.com sells chipco too, but i don't recommend them because they are slooooow to respond to anything. Dave at homepokerchips.com is a good man.
Posted Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:53 pm GMT by SCV15
With homepokerchips.com, can I design my own edge spots or do I have to use their 5 or 6 designs?
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:44 am GMT by Fins
| SCV15 wrote: | | With homepokerchips.com, can I design my own edge spots or do I have to use their 5 or 6 designs? |
You can design your own edge spots... I'm not sure as to what 5-6 edge designs you are referencing?? The chipstore limits you on the chip wraps but from what I've read and heard I would look elsewhere.
You might check out Ten's Egyptian chips as they are doing another group buy and the chips are sweet. Looks like they're pricing out at $0.85/chip which is excellent. It's a good design and you'll even have the option of getting a $1000 octagon & $5000 plaque which is cool.
For custom Chipco's and small orders you're probably better off going thru Homepokerchips.com unless your art is unusually complex as the cost is significantly lower. Chipco charges art/setup fees per chip type where as homepokerchips.com charges one art/setup fee for 4 chips & extra chips over 4 at $30. You're looking in the neighborhood of $1.50/chip for 500, $1.32/chip for 775 and $1.20/chip for 1000 to your door for a 5 chip set. I went thru homepokerchips.com and you can check out my chips at The Finnegan Club Chips. They were $1.20 to my door (i.e. includes $0.93/chip, $199 art/setup, $30 xtra chip fee & $42 S&H). Dave's service was excellent and Patrick, the graphic artist, was great in helping with the design. Patrick has alot of experience and was very informative & patient with all my questions/requests. They do have a set number of revisions but it's mainly there to let you know the design process can't go on forever. My revisions/proofs were really sets and not just one and as long as the process moves toward a final design I think they'll work with you. They're more interested in making you happy than sticking to a set number of revisions. This was my experience and I'd check with Dave on his specific policies. I sent my rough art to them for a quote rather than try to match what I wanted from the packages listed on their website. I would recommend contacting Dave ( dave@lasvegas-chips.com ) and discussing the costs & what you're wanting. I received my chips 4-5 weeks after the art was finalized.
Hope that helps,
Fins
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:40 pm GMT by ott
I saw some pictures of Chipco clays. I wonder if Chipco is still making clay chips.
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:04 pm GMT by TenPercenter
| ott wrote: | | I saw some pictures of Chipco clays. I wonder if Chipco is still making clay chips. |
I've seen them and I don't like them. No edgespots for one thing. I think they're mainly meant as wheel checks.
Ten
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:26 pm GMT by ott
| TenPercenter wrote: | I've seen them and I don't like them. No edgespots for one thing. I think they're mainly meant as wheel checks.
Ten |
If it's just for routlette, I wouldn't see a point in having edgespots.
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:42 pm GMT by TenPercenter
| ott wrote: | | TenPercenter wrote: | I've seen them and I don't like them. No edgespots for one thing. I think they're mainly meant as wheel checks.
Ten |
If it's just for routlette, I wouldn't see a point in having edgespots. |
Yes, exactly. I just don't think they look that good, they're very plain and wouldn't compare to some other nicer ones for home poker games. If you're gonna get plain clays, then Super Diamonds would work fine for .08 cents each. They feel like clay. IMHO.
Ten
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:42 am GMT by duma
| TenPercenter wrote: |
The actual artwork is free. You can pretty much put anything on the edges, including text.
Ten |
so i can put diamonds and other designs on there like dots and squares? can i put logos, etc?
i ask this because i want to replicate bud jones wsop chips the closest i can. they have rectangles, squares, and circles on the edges.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:33 am GMT by Fins
| duma wrote: | | TenPercenter wrote: |
The actual artwork is free. You can pretty much put anything on the edges, including text.
Ten |
so i can put diamonds and other designs on there like dots and squares? can i put logos, etc?
i ask this because i want to replicate bud jones wsop chips the closest i can. they have rectangles, squares, and circles on the edges. |
You can put text on the edges but I'm pretty sure you cannot put diamonds, dots etc... I think the edge spots have to run veritcally down the whole edge so you couldn't do slashes for example. You can vary the colors and you can do some gradients (like the suits) but that's it. You could contact Patrick at homepokerchips.com and he'd be able to confirm this or e-mail Chipco directly. You can vary them from chip to chip simlilar to the Crystal Oysters... I like the way these were done... if I hadn't been set on my design I would have done something like these.
I think tabasco answered this in the WSOP Chips thread... yep page 3... edge spots "have to be uniform top to bottom" 
Sorry for the confusion.
- Fins
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:44 am GMT by MeridianFC
If you look on the hompokerchips site on the examples page there are some chips with diamonds (and other stuff) on the side. You'll have to scroll through a hundred chips or so to see 'em.
Check out example #50, #54, #109, #115, #131. There's also the possibility of putting text on the sides too. Actually the diamond is really just text.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:46 am GMT by TenPercenter
| Quote: | | I think tabasco answered this in the WSOP Chips thread... yep page 3... edge spots "have to be uniform top to bottom" |
I agree with this, but it still begs the question: Why can this be true, AND they will put text on the edge which contradicts the rule? Anyone?
Ten
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:11 pm GMT by duma
#39 & #47 examples have diagonal edge spots also 
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:12 pm GMT by Fins
| MeridianFC wrote: | If you look on the hompokerchips site on the examples page there are some chips with diamonds (and other stuff) on the side. You'll have to scroll through a hundred chips or so to see 'em.
Check out example #50, #54, #109, #115, #131. There's also the possibility of putting text on the sides too. Actually the diamond is really just text. |
Good points Meridian & duma... I just e-mailed Patrick at Homepokerchips.com. I'll let you know if he gets back to me.
I really like #54 (FYI - you can change the URL's by the way to skip scrolling thru)... sharp! Might be better if they had 3 kings rather than one pictured.
- Fins
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:14 pm GMT by tabascojrc
| MeridianFC wrote: | If you look on the hompokerchips site on the examples page there are some chips with diamonds (and other stuff) on the side. You'll have to scroll through a hundred chips or so to see 'em.
Check out example #50, #54, #109, #115, #131. There's also the possibility of putting text on the sides too. Actually the diamond is really just text. |
Well slap me silly, thats pretty cool. Honestly all those spots could be considered text. I apologize I am mistaken. Although thats not how it was explained to me.
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:58 pm GMT by MeridianFC
I think what they're trying to get at is you can't do some wavy horizontal line or what not. The diamonds is just a wingding/symbol font (in Word it's Symbol Alt 0168).
Posted Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:22 pm GMT by Fins
| Fins wrote: | I just e-mailed Patrick at Homepokerchips.com. I'll let you know if he gets back to me.
- Fins |
Here's my e-mail & replies...
| Fins e-mail to Patrick @ homepokerchips.com wrote: |
>Fins wrote:
>Hi Patrick,
>Don't know how busy you are but this has come up several times in the
>forums. The general way it arises is from someone wanting to design a set
>around the WSOP chips. The question arises about using dimonds, dots etc...
>in the edge design. I was under the impression that as Jeremy put it "the
>spots have to be uniform top to bottom" but text is possible as well as
>gradients. A few good points were brought up regarding the custom art
>gallery at HPC specifically #'s 50, 54, 109, 115 & 131 using suits & dots.
>Also, #39 & 47 have diagonal edge spots. Thought you might be able to
>clarify the limitations with edge spot design... if there are any. Also I
>remember you were against edge text but since I wasn't interested in that I
>didn't inquire as to why (imagine that  ).
>
PM Response:
Some of the limitations of edge printing stem from the mechanics of
the printing process. When they print edges, they do it to a stack
of 20 or so chips. What feeds the printer is 20 copies of the edge
design, stacked vertically.
For stripes (including diagonal stripes), the edge design is extended
so that it can print on the full edge. For any other edge graphic
(text, card suits, geometric designs), the height of the graphic is
limited to insure that it will print on the edge. There's enough
variation in the thickness of the chips that the alignment of the
text or graphic will not always be centered vertically on the edge.
This limits text to 5 or 6 point size, which is pretty small.
Gradients are possible, but only if they go left-to-right, not
bottom-to-top. If you think about it, you will realize this is
another manifestation of the alignment issue for text. Since they
usually don't have as much space to work with, gradients tend to not
work quite as well as on the faces.
The other restrictions and limitations of the edge printing has to do
with bleed issues. In addition to the bleed from magenta rich colors
(Red, Orange, Purple, and some Blues) on the faces, there is an
additional bleed problem with Black and Charcoal colors on the edges.
If you use white (or light colored) text on Black, the result will be
a smudgy grey in many cases. If you want to use white text on a red
edge, you can't use a thin black stroke to avoid the bleed, since the
black will bleed as well.
Since many designs include a red and/or black chip, I try to
discourage edge text due to the bleed problems.
The bottom line for text or other graphics on the edges: It needs to
be a simple design or font (sans serif fonts work well), and it's
best if it is black or dark color on a light color.
--Patrick
HomePokerChips.com
Oakleaf Designs
>Fins wrote:
>To clarify... so I gather you could design a WSOP Bud Jones style chip with the
>main concerns being bleed issues (i.e. color selection). I guess there's
>not much that can be done with regard to alignment issues other than sizing
>right & crossing your fingers.
PM Response:
Yep... Sometimes the edge graphic is perfectly centered, and
sometimes it is closer to the top or bottom of the edge... With the
existing equipment, that's the best that can be done.
--Patrick
HomePokerChips.com
Oakleaf Designs
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