Can't Bluff an Uneducated Opponent |
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Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:19 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
If your opponent doesn't know the tactic, don't bother trying a bluff with it.
***** Hand History for Game 1381068719 *****
Wizard1995 has left the table.
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Sun Jan 02 17:07:13 EST 2005
Table Pandorai's Box (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: sirlovealot ( $20.49)
Seat 2: SeanNJ ( $28.75)
Seat 3: hipchip2002 ( $18.58)
Seat 4: stoicism ( $32.75)
Seat 6: royalban999 ( $39.5)
Seat 7: khersley ( $32.84)
Seat 8: SMcFerrin ( $11.83)
Seat 9: SONNY766 ( $16.75)
Seat 10: howdyjames ( $29.75)
khersley posts small blind (0.25)
SMcFerrin posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SeanNJ  
SONNY766 calls (0.5)
howdyjames folds.
sirlovealot folds.
SeanNJ calls (0.5)
hipchip2002 folds.
stoicism folds.
royalban999 calls (0.5)
khersley calls (0.25)
SMcFerrin checks.
** Dealing Flop ** :   
khersley checks.
SMcFerrin bets (0.5)
SONNY766 calls (0.5)
SeanNJ raises (1) to 1 *** Trying to buy the button and get a free card ***
royalban999 folds.
khersley folds.
SMcFerrin calls (0.5)
SONNY766 calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : 
SMcFerrin checks.
SONNY766 checks.
SeanNJ checks. *** I missed...but which draw? ***
** Dealing River ** : 
SMcFerrin checks.
SONNY766 checks.
SeanNJ bets (1) *** Made my flush!  ***
SMcFerrin calls (1) *** ... not that he ever considered the possibilty.  ***
SONNY766 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $7 | Rake: $0.5
Board:
sirlovealot balance $20.49, didn't bet (folded)
SeanNJ balance $26.25, lost $2.5 a pair of sevens --
hipchip2002 balance $18.58, didn't bet (folded)
stoicism balance $32.75, didn't bet (folded)
HANKQUIZ balance $15, sits out
royalban999 balance $39, lost $0.5 (folded)
khersley balance $32.34, lost $0.5 (folded)
SMcFerrin balance $16.33, bet $2.5, collected $7, net +$4.5   two pairs queens and sevens --
SONNY766 balance $15.25, lost $1.5 (folded)
howdyjames balance $29.75, didn't bet (folded)
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Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:49 pm GMT by ChkDeezNuts
AMEN.......
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:58 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
And here's one that fell in my lap. I still don't know what these two were holding...AQ, QQ, JJ?
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 03 00:18:03 EST 2005
Table Table 25372 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: KC_Orlando ( $12.75)
Seat 2: kho15 ( $37.93)
Seat 3: Deanster2020 ( $31.5)
Seat 4: quallich ( $12.5)
Seat 5: set5409 ( $4.25)
Seat 6: cowboy5 ( $38.25)
Seat 7: HealthyMike ( $5.75)
Seat 8: SeanNJ ( $35)
Seat 9: HOLLYWOODDL ( $28.5)
Seat 10: mab_AAAA ( $24)
HOLLYWOODDL posts small blind (0.25)
mab_AAAA posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SeanNJ  
KC_Orlando calls (0.5)
kho15 folds.
Deanster2020 calls (0.5)
quallich folds.
cowboy5: lol
set5409 folds.
cowboy5 folds.
HealthyMike raises (1) to 1
SeanNJ calls (1)
HOLLYWOODDL folds.
mab_AAAA folds.
KC_Orlando calls (0.5)
Deanster2020 calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : 
KC_Orlando bets (0.5)
Deanster2020 folds.
HealthyMike calls (0.5)
SeanNJ calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : 
KC_Orlando checks.
HealthyMike checks. *** That's odd.
SeanNJ bets (1) *** Might was well take a shot at it.
KC_Orlando folds.
HealthyMike calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : 
HealthyMike checks.
SeanNJ bets (1)
HealthyMike folds. *** Hey, it worked!
** Summary **
Main Pot: $8.75 | Rake: $0.5
Board:
KC_Orlando balance $11.25, lost $1.5 (folded)
kho15 balance $37.93, didn't bet (folded)
Deanster2020 balance $30.5, lost $1 (folded)
quallich balance $12.5, didn't bet (folded)
set5409 balance $4.25, didn't bet (folded)
cowboy5 balance $38.25, didn't bet (folded)
HealthyMike balance $3.25, lost $2.5 (folded)
SeanNJ balance $40.25, bet $3.5, collected $8.75, net +$5.25 a pair of fives --
HOLLYWOODDL balance $28.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
mab_AAAA balance $23.5, lost $0.5 (folded)
Posted Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:14 pm GMT by ORGrinder
a buddy of mine and i run into this all the time, especially in home games here in town.
with poker all the rage now adays... ppl playing simply don't know any better. if you try to push them out of a hand, they'll just call because they think that it's worth doing so with their AX and only one card to come. after all... they could hit that A right?!
obviously the AX is just an example... but you get the point. you can't bluff and uneducated player... you simply have to beat them with the cards. you may be able to force them out on occasion... but more often than not they'll stick with you to the river... and frequently will catch something to knock you out.
jmho though.
Posted Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:05 pm GMT by Bleakill
agreed...i think those ppl who don't see bluffs are playing 'just for the heck of it', without considering the odds and playing mostly for fun.......exploit their extremely loose play when u have the cards....
Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:54 am GMT by AAceman
Sometimes i just call some stupid stuff to make my move later.
in a 0.5-1 dollar room paying a few bucks to let people think u a retard can pay off.
U can put people in a he doesnt have crap mode and that can be nice.
U never do this?
Some wacky dutch guy
Posted Wed May 04, 2005 6:22 pm GMT by PuckJunkieNY
| ORGrinder wrote: | a buddy of mine and i run into this all the time, especially in home games here in town.
with poker all the rage now adays... ppl playing simply don't know any better. if you try to push them out of a hand, they'll just call because they think that it's worth doing so with their AX and only one card to come. after all... they could hit that A right?!
obviously the AX is just an example... but you get the point. you can't bluff and uneducated player... you simply have to beat them with the cards. you may be able to force them out on occasion... but more often than not they'll stick with you to the river... and frequently will catch something to knock you out.
jmho though. |
So true.
I played with a new group of guys last Friday.I know about 4 of them. 16 people mini tourneys. 3 tables of 6, top 2 from each go to final table. I found only a few really knew anything about strategy and odds. The rest just liked being in as many hands as possible. I made it to the final table and got ice cold cards for the most part. When I did have a good hand my raises got no respect and on two occasions a gutshot straight from this one guy took much of my chips. He also knocked out my buddy with runners after he pushed in. I ended up 1 of 3 remaining and was very short stacked with the blinds eating me alive. I'm on BB and get both limping. I flip over one of my cards for both to see (which is a Ace) and push in. The same suckout artist calls (granted he is big stack). My other card is a 10 and he flips 56 off. I feel pretty good until the flop is 688. Turn and riv no help and I'm out. The same guy either caught great cards or sucked out 3-4 card outters all night... I gotta get him into a NL ring game at some point.
Posted Thu May 05, 2005 12:09 pm GMT by ibarrio
This group of new players still thinks that luck runs the game. They know little about the skill needed.
They watch too much TV and think every hand needs to be an All In Showdown...
And they cannot be bluffed because they do not see the straights or flushes unless they are holding it. And how is it possible that someone else can acutally have a hand?
I have seen Idiots call all the way to the end..even if 4  's are showing and they don't have a .
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