Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:13 am GMT by Idaho
As I mentioned on the 1/1/05 thread, i had my first casino experience last week. A few things surprised me about it. It was a cheap rebuy tourney and there were about 80 players.
The first surpising thing was how loose some players are. Trying to see every flop and calling things they had no business calling. I was also surpised at how friendly the table was. It seemed like they all knew each other - and considering it was fairly unintimidating. They were all happy to talk me through basic table ettiquette. Actually I think being a lummox with the cards and proceedures worked in my favour. I got called more than I was expecting too. My first playable hand - A8 next to the button with lots of limpers. Flop came down with AAA  Much to my suprise I didn't feel phazed at all. Everyone checked so I said "someone's got to bet it" and bet half the pot. I was called by two. Turn came down with a Jack. I bet again and was raised! All in.. he had a low pocket pair. Everyone on the table was suprised I bet, presumably expecting me to check it all the way.
The next two hands I got involved with were QQ and 10 10 both of which caught a third on the flop. I doubled up on the Queens but the tens got busted by a straight... I could have walked away from it.
Won a couple of other pots and that took me to the freezeout, where as I said on the other thread, I went all in on AK and was up against AA and QQ - the Queens catching a third again.
One unrelated question - if you aren't supposed to be looking for a flush with suited connectors - why not just play any connectors in position?
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Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:54 am GMT by Absolution
Why aren't you looking for a flush? That's why suited connectors are a good medium hand. They are just a more difficult hand to play because they can get you in trouble, especially in a loose game with a lot of callers and limpers.
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:11 pm GMT by Idaho
| Absolution wrote: | | Why aren't you looking for a flush? That's why suited connectors are a good medium hand. They are just a more difficult hand to play because they can get you in trouble, especially in a loose game with a lot of callers and limpers. |
Super System says that the flush is not the prime target with suited connectors, but straights, trips and two pair are.
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:42 pm GMT by darthsikle
and the creator of the Super System hasn't won the WSOP since 1972???
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:43 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Idaho wrote: | | One unrelated question - if you aren't supposed to be looking for a flush with suited connectors - why not just play any connectors in position? |
Because the possibility of making a flush is still valuable. You obviously don't want to rely on your 78s holding up with a 4-flush on the board, but with only 3 suited cards you're still likely to have the best hand. On the flip side, your 78o with a 4-flush on the board is basically useless.
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:12 pm GMT by Absolution
Don't forget about the backdoor flush with a straight. It gives you more outs and makes a semi-bluff more profitable. If you bet on a rainbow flop with a open-ended straight or maybe top pair, he calls, and then two runners come to give you the flush, he'll have a hard time believing you made the flush and it can pay off. The kid in the Bad Boys of Poker lost to this kind of semi-bluff basically except it was an Axs. His opponent bet before and after the flop, but then slowed down. The kid gave him a free card on the turn and couldn't get away from his set (it's my opinion he should have come over the top on the flop).
It should be obvious that a flush made in a multi-way pot with a low suited connector must be played cautiously. But if you hold 89 and the flush is made with face cards, you could feel better about it (so your 56s is not as valuable obviously). You could get paid off with a high pair, set or straight.
I'd still rather have a middle of the road flush over something like ATo on an ace flop - that can really get you into trouble.
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