For those who think bluffing at limit is a waste... |
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Posted Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:26 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
This is rapidly becoming my favorite section of the forum. 
1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Jan 12 22:18:26 EST 2005
Table Pokers Angels (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: vhuntd ( $48)
Seat 2: SeanNJ ( $30.62)
Seat 3: YettiPike1 ( $48.5)
Seat 4: jwb885 ( $54.25)
Seat 5: KreneAA ( $10.5)
Seat 6: Cadieux ( $114.25)
Seat 7: tink29 ( $19.5)
Seat 8: floatingmen ( $14.38)
Seat 9: Moosee69 ( $17.75)
Seat 10: flopeemoose ( $26.25)
floatingmen posts small blind (0.5)
SeanNJ: That T saved you
Moosee69 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SeanNJ  
SeanNJ: nh
flopeemoose calls (1)
vhuntd folds.
SeanNJ calls (1)
YettiPike1 raises (2) to 2
jwb885 folds.
KreneAA folds.
Cadieux folds.
tink29 folds.
floatingmen calls (1.5)
Moosee69 raises (2) to 3
flopeemoose calls (2)
SeanNJ calls (2)
YettiPike1 calls (1)
floatingmen calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** :   
floatingmen checks.
Moosee69 bets (1)
flopeemoose calls (1)
SeanNJ calls (1)
YettiPike1 calls (1)
floatingmen folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : 
Moosee69 bets (2)
flopeemoose calls (2)
SeanNJ raises (4) to 4
YettiPike1 folds.
Moosee69 folds.
flopeemoose calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : 
flopeemoose checks.
SeanNJ bets (2)
flopeemoose folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $30 | Rake: $1
Board:
vhuntd balance $48, didn't bet (folded)
SeanNJ balance $50.62, bet $10, collected $30, net +$20
YettiPike1 balance $44.5, lost $4 (folded)
jwb885 balance $54.25, didn't bet (folded)
KreneAA balance $10.5, didn't bet (folded)
Cadieux balance $114.25, didn't bet (folded)
tink29 balance $19.5, didn't bet (folded)
floatingmen balance $11.38, lost $3 (folded)
Moosee69 balance $11.75, lost $6 (folded)
flopeemoose balance $18.25, lost $8 (folded)
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Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:14 am GMT by suitedaces84
1) That's the most amazing thing I've ever seen
2) You have super powers
3) You're my hero
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:56 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
1) You need to get out more
2) Maybe, but that wasn't the point
3) You could do worse
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:44 pm GMT by Iron Butt
^ LOL... nice, hard to find that many players THAT weak at one table.
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:11 pm GMT by Dave B
Are you guys serious? This is pretty standard limit play. If you dont believe me....try it. Wait for the 3rd suited card to hit on the river, or when the 2nd highest card pairs the board-bet out. You wont win every time, but a $2 bet (in this case) at a $20 pot will take it down more than 10% of the time. If you have any table image, these bluffs are a gimme.
On any given night, I would gaurantee you that I play break even poker with the exception of a few well timed bluffs.
Great situations to bluff at:
1) suited flops, esp if 4th suited hits
2) raised pots preflop from the blind w/ all rags on the flop
3) when the board pairs-if it is a low card and you are in the blind or 2-3rd pair from any position
4) 4 card str8s on the board from blind or other if you put people on big cards (they have AK, board 6 7 8 9 x).
5) flop was checked around and last player bet-he is often on a steal and betting out on the turn can take down many pots.
There are many, many more situations too. If you are on a roll, you can bluff 3-4 pots in a row. If they dont catch you and you are smart enough not to show, you can really get some nice runs with no cards. The key is to know who will lay down a hand and who will not. Bluffing against more than 3 players against most boards is trouble. I used to just bluff when sensing weakness in late position, but now I bet out more. I even do this from early position when not on a bluff. If I think that I will call a river bet (called down 2nd pair heads up against a preflop raise w/ board A 10 9 8 5 and me w/ J10), sometimes I will just bet out, if someone just has top pair, they will rarely raise and if they were bluffing or missed a draw, they will lay down.
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:38 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Dave, this is the difference between 1/2 and 10/20 at 1/2 most players don't know the fold button exsists. To convince someone you made a flush at 1/2 will take a much bigger bet than 1/10 of the pot, which unfortunatly is not possible. Hell, at 1/2 most players don't even think of a that someone might be on a flush draw. I know bluffing is a huge part of the game, but at 1/2 with a preflop raise most will call you all the way with a gutshot or A high.
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:53 pm GMT by suitedaces84
You guys inspired me...
***** Hand History for Game 1431729004 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Thu Jan 13 17:48:00 EST 2005
Table Table 31060 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: SpicyS ( $20.5)
Seat 2: Bittermac ( $14.25)
Seat 3: mpdbpf ( $18.75)
Seat 4: BOOYA22 ( $31.75)
Seat 5: greenbling ( $50)
Seat 6: suitedaces84 ( $31.25)
Seat 7: IrishCreme22 ( $33.25)
Seat 8: tuchy51 ( $8)
Seat 9: bizzlep ( $50.25)
Seat 10: tamjon111 ( $52)
tamjon111 posts small blind (0.25)
SpicyS is sitting out.
Bittermac posts big blind (0.5)
tuchy51 posts big blind + dead (0.75)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to suitedaces84  
mpdbpf raises (1) to 1
BOOYA22 folds.
suitedaces84 calls (1)
IrishCreme22 folds.
tuchy51 folds.
bizzlep folds.
tamjon111 folds.
Bittermac folds.
** Dealing Flop ** :   
mpdbpf checks.
suitedaces84 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : 
mpdbpf bets (1)
suitedaces84 raises (2) to 2
mpdbpf folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $6 | Rake: $0.5
Board:
Bittermac balance $13.75, lost $0.5 (folded)
mpdbpf balance $16.75, lost $2 (folded)
BOOYA22 balance $31.75, didn't bet (folded)
greenbling balance $50, sits out
suitedaces84 balance $34.25, bet $3, collected $6, net +$3 high card ace --
IrishCreme22 balance $33.25, didn't bet (folded)
tuchy51 balance $7.25, lost $0.75 (folded)
bizzlep balance $50.25, didn't bet (folded)
tamjon111 balance $51.75, lost $0.25 (folded)
Posted Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:13 pm GMT by Iron Butt
^ LOL... Bravo, aces!
I'm not saying he (Sean) shouldn't have bluffed, I just think those were exceptionally bad and weak players. Don't you?
But anyway thanks for the tips. I do try stuff like that once in a while and when I do the guy's usually holding K2 for a boat LOL. But it's nice when it works.
Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:33 am GMT by AAceman
hello,
what i find very cool to do is talk smack whilst bluffing
saying things like please dont call it u piece of donkey crap and similar remarks will make people fold.
If they do catch ur bluff wait for a strong hand and talk the same smack u can get em that way.
Either way its fun, or at least we dutch people like to think so
Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:24 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | what i find very cool to do is talk smack whilst bluffing |
No offense, but you are aware that this is a tell, right?
Posted Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:42 am GMT by AAceman
| Quote: | | No offense, but you are aware that this is a tell, right? |
yup its a definite tell but only if u let it.
If u talk smack everytime u bluff its gonna be obvious.
But u can confuse people by mixing it up.
And u can get somebody on TILT, and that about the greatest thing u can do to somebody in this game. aside from beating a straight flush with a royal 
Posted Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:19 pm GMT by age_of_sages
Dave B wrote:
| Quote: | | 3) when the board pairs-if it is a low card and you are in the blind or 2-3rd pair from any position |
I just recently found this list of yours and I have put this bluff into effect most often, I absolutely love it! I take down alot of smallish pots with it and it helps my profits tremendously.
Thanks!
And on an important sidenote... I finally figured out how to make quotes, yay me! 
Posted Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:19 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| age_of_sages wrote: | | And on an important sidenote... I finally figured out how to make quotes, yay me! |
Here's a tip on quoting: instead of using just the quote thing use quote="quotee's name". And good luck in your quoting future! 
Posted Sun May 01, 2005 1:22 am GMT by JohnnyCache
| AAceman wrote: | | Quote: | | No offense, but you are aware that this is a tell, right? |
yup its a definite tell but only if u let it.
If u talk smack everytime u bluff its gonna be obvious.
But u can confuse people by mixing it up.
And u can get somebody on TILT, and that about the greatest thing u can do to somebody in this game. aside from beating a straight flush with a royal |
| Quote: | | You won't get in a gunfight, but you will run your g-ded' mouth to me, won't you McCall? |
Posted Sun May 01, 2005 3:01 am GMT by groton
quote="JohnnyCache" | Quote: | | You won't get in a gunfight, but you will run your g-ded' mouth to me, won't you McCall? |
dang it dude i can just see you walking down the street with two Peace Makers a Black Setson and a Old Duster
back on the Topic
when i play Limit which latly is not all that much I always use those type of Bluff's
Seem to work well expecaly if the people on the table see you as someone who Plays Tight.
Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:22 pm GMT by Dr_Pablo
i bluff similarly all the time in 1/2 and 2/4 if you dont believe me, come to the irc when im in it, and wait for the flurry of my ego boosting hand historys to hit pokerhand.org
it works. you only cost yourself by not trying.
Posted Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:24 am GMT by AceyEm
That one works especially well after you take down 2 or 3 pots with trip 4s or trip 6s. Beginers like playing only face cards and miss out on some of the goodies like 89 suited or 34 suited. After a few "bad beats" they get timid when they're holding QQ and the flop is all lowbees and you bet it.
Newbees also miss a lot of straights for the same reason. They think they're boss when they hold AA or KK and the board is 3 4 6 7 10. But after they get nailed a time or two they start folding when the board is all "garbage" and you start betting anyway.
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