Posted Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:21 pm GMT by Bleakill
This is about live games. Holdem NL, usially 5-6 ppl. Tourney style.
In the group I play, i'm able to win pretty much consistently, but i don't think i do my best and i still want to advance. so here is the problem: the majority of players on this table are tight (in fact only 1 out of 6 is a total lunatic calling with rags). When i have a hand (or not  ), it's kinda hard to get the most out of it...i mean, if the board is dangerous, i usually check or bet min to reverse bluff and make them call...then if rag comes i bet and so on...so they can't really put me on hand (i suppose) so i try to bluff them into thinking that i have crap and call my bets/bet themselves. but it just doesnt happening and i'm taking many small pots before the showdown  . what'd be a good strategy to milk the tight player??
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Posted Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:48 pm GMT by Dave B
Show your hand on each bluff and do it often.
Posted Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:25 pm GMT by Bleakill
well, i kinda do have a table image of a bluffer or such (at least had until now)) but will try  good advice
anything else?
Posted Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:47 pm GMT by Logik
I'm a pretty tight player, and I usually end up playing against looser opponents such as yourself. I find that if I play 10-handed, I can easily muck most starting hands, and play the premium ones. Even if I hit my flop perfectly I'll check it, becuase I know people like you will bet into me with a bluff or a semi bluff, and I can make it painful for me to call that bet, and you'll try to buy the pot the next time. I get a lot of respect at the NL table when I play, as they all know me as a good player who is very tight.
The other night this happened:
I was big blind with 3 10 offsuit, checked it for the flop.
Flop was 2 6 10. I have top pair with a horrid kicker. I check, a guy bets after me, and its all folds back to me. I raise. He looks at me for a second, thinking of whether he should call. After about 30-45 seconds, I tell him, "How many pots have you seen me participate in that I didn't take down?" Right after I say that, he flips his cards face-up and he folds. JJo.
He had so much respect for me that he mucked an overpair.
I guess the moral of the story is make sure you know when you're being trapped and when you're being bluffed when playing against tight opponents. Often times you'll think they're limping in, or you have a better hand, and they had the nuts the whole time.
Posted Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:29 pm GMT by pokerislife
My advice for palying against tight people like this would be to first of all try to play them at 6max tables or any other shorthanded type of games you can get. The tight style works out 90% of the time at 10 handed games if they play it right and is very hard to shake them up pyschologically when they can just wait you out for hands. I use the 3x the bb raise constantly shorthanded with tight players and a 1/2x-1x the pot bet on flop with 1 caller. Make the 1x the pot bet on flops where its hit or miss where theres only 1 card that they could have called your raise preflop and hit like a flop of k24 for example where they wouldnt have called your raise preflop with a 2 or 4. but on flops like KQ9 or something like that you want to go with approximately a halfpot bet or a check depending on what you have and how likely it is the other player could have an underpair or just a weak hand like A10 AJ. Feel him out from flop, if he doesnt raise your half pot bet on a dangerous flop(flushdraw/straightdraw for example) it is unlikely that he will be able to call a big bet on the turn.
If you are able to aggrivate them into playing worse cards, then your mission is complete. Keep a watch out for this transition though. Once it occurs you want to start slowly raising less and with stronger hands. The tight palyer is incapable of playing unstrong starting hands well, you can crack them, trick them into pushing alot of chips in when you know you have them beat, while they will push all their chips in when they think they have you beat and are aggrivated.
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