Posted Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:38 pm GMT by Dr Edge
Okay I am a newbie to poker so I knowI am missing something here. I read that a check raise is a very aggresive move, but I fail to see why. The way I see it is this:
I check
He Bets 50
I bet 100
He calls 50 more
We both put 100 in the pot, what is different then saying this example:
I bet 100
He calls 100
Thanks for your answers.
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Posted Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:51 pm GMT by suitedaces84
The check raise is more commonly used in fixed limit hold'em (where in your example betting 100 would not be possible). It's best used to punish over-aggressive players.
Posted Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:34 am GMT by Dave B
Anytime you bet you are showing strength. So when you check raise, you are saying "ok, you are indicating that you have something, I am telling you that I have more".
Like was said before, in limit it is used to get 2 bets in play instead of one.
Posted Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:36 am GMT by Logik
Often if you're playing against an aggressive player it can be very strong.
Opponent:
A  10
You:
8  9 
Flop:
5 6  7
If you bet, he will likely fold. But if you check he might try to steal the pot with a bet.
Scenario one:
You: Bet 100
Opponent: Fold
Opponent knows you have a good hand, so he will likely fold
Scenario two:
You: Check
Opponent: Bet 200
You: Raise 800
Opponent: Fold
In this scenario the aggressive player is betting that you missed your flop and he can steal the pot from you. However, since you check-raised him he realizes that you have a hand, and he folds.
Or if you want him to call you could re-raise 200 and he's already half-in so he might call, building you a pot.
Posted Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:34 pm GMT by pokerislife
the checkraise is a tricky tricky move for 2 main reasons. The check shows weakness, raising shows extreme strength.
1) it could be a play to steal after you notice that the other player seems like he is making a weak bet and you now get to act after him and see and raise
2) it is very psycholgically frustrating to be checkraised which often induces more calling because it always seems like a bluff. It is a good way to trick someone into calling a strong hand and make them want to draw with a draw that cant even win.
Posted Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:11 pm GMT by proudcapitalist
It is used more in limit than in no limit?
Posted Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:56 pm GMT by Jauron
It is more practical in limit, at least to me. In NL it often will kill the action unless you do it alot.
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:05 pm GMT by QuietOne
I think it's a great move in NL. (Don't play that much limit, so I wouldn't know about that).
If there is a good size pot and ou get the nuts, lets say an Ace high flush. If you raise big the other guy probably fold, if you raise a little, he might call but that will be all. If you check, he figures you don't have much, bets a large bet on his set, you double his raise with your flush.
Not you've really screwed him. He's very pot commited. What's he gonna do? Fold, giving you the large bet he lust through in there or call knowing full well you probably have him beat.
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:39 pm GMT by ilikepoker
in fixed limit and in a multiplayer pot: it can also be used to get people out of the pot by forcing them to pay two bets instead of one if you are fairly sure someone to your right will bet. also possibly good to isolate that bettor in a tight game if you think he's on a draw and you hold a second best hand. any guesses what book im reading right now?
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