Posted Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:29 am GMT by TheBklynKid
hey im new to this site, i started playing hold em seriously for about 4 months now, im a little confused about how to calculate how many outs you have left, do you also count the cards your opponents have or only if they stay in, can some one help explain to me if you get a chance. i tried doing a search for "outs" but i couldnt find anything...if you can help it would be greatly appriciated. thank you.
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Posted Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:21 am GMT by Bleakill
the number of outs is the number of cards LEFT IN THE DECK that would improve your hand. Let's say, you're holding 2  and board comes 2 spades...since you have only 13 cards of the same suit in the deck and you are seeing the other 2, your are drawing for 9 outs. Which means, no, you don't count cards in your opponent's hands.
Posted Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:10 am GMT by MasterShake
| Bleakill wrote: | | the number of outs is the number of cards LEFT IN THE DECK that would improve your hand. Let's say, you're holding 2 and board comes 2 spades...since you have only 13 cards of the same suit in the deck and you are seeing the other 2, your are drawing for 9 outs. Which means, no, you don't count cards in your opponent's hands. |
Any card you can't see is completely unknown. Unless someone shows you there card, you have no idea what it is. So like Bleakill said, if you have four to a flush, you have 9 outs.
If you wanted to figure out what your odds of hitting it are, you would figure 9 in however many unseen cards there are. You have a deck of 52 cards, 9 other players and yourself. Each player including you gets 2 cards which means there are 20 cards on the table and 32 left in the deck. The flop comes which means you burn one card and flop three. Now you have seen 5 cards and there are 47 unseen cards. This means you have a 9:47 chance of hitting your flush on the turn. If you miss the flush on the turn, you still have a 9:46 chance of hitting it on the river.
Now lets say one of your buddy's gets a little pissed off because he got 72 off suit for the fifth time in a row. He chucks his cards and one of them flips over, revealing it to everyone. You see it's one of the suit you need for your flush. Now you only have 8 outs, because you know it's impossible for that card to help you.
Posted Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:29 pm GMT by pokerislife
Outs are used only when you are currently behind in the hand and they are the exact number of cards that you can use to turn your hand into the winning hand. You then divide this number by the number of unknown cards left in the deck in order to calculate whehter you have good pot odds or not. if the fraction of outs/unknown cards is greater than the bet/pot size then it is a good call for you to make. Then there is also implied pot odds which is pot odds but estimating a bigger potsize based on further rounds of betting and other players left to call that you think would call. There is also implied outs which is when you are very certain that someone else has a hand that would take away from one of your outs so it is better to approximate your outs with less cards. For example you have A2 flop of AK10 and the other person you are sure has an ace, aces are no longer an out for you. Also on a flop of AsKh2s and you have flushdraw and you can tell the other person has top pair from betting style then you can discount one of his cards from the unknown cards giving you better flushdraw chances.
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