Complete Texas Hold'em Tournament Rules |
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Posted Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:33 pm GMT by TKarrde
Some friends want to get together and have a poker tournament just like the WSOP. Should be about 20 of us. Where can I find the actual tournament rules as used by Binions for the WSOP? Want to make sure we have the authentic rules in case there are an issues that arise. Plus I have no idea how and when to combine tables and what the idea number of players per table would be in a home setting.
Thanks,
TK
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Posted Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:14 pm GMT by MR RIP
I would also like a copy of the rules
Posted Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:54 pm GMT by gravy
Not too sure, but most tourny rules are probably the same. I'd check the binions website.
Posted Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:02 pm GMT by moose
I went on the Binion's web site but they are still under construction for the rules site! I have also been trying to get a hold of tournament rules but have not been successful. (I have tried extensively for a week) If anyone know's of any books that might be useful I would greatly appreciate it.
Posted Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:02 pm GMT by K-rug
I have a nice set of rules that I have compiled from a few sources. I would be happy to send you what I got and you can adapt them for whatever dollar amount, etc that you want. I private message me your e-mail address if you want me to send them to you.
Posted Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:38 am GMT by K-rug
Just FYI they were sent out today.
Posted Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:21 pm GMT by MiamiMackk
can u please send me a copy of the rules also please,,,
Posted Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:08 pm GMT by SeganosCPA
can u please send me a copy of the rules also please,,,
Posted Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:31 pm GMT by K-rug
Not a problem. I will send them out tomorrow. I should let you know one thing in advance. Our betting scheme is a little different than most due to the amount of people and value of our chips. We use blinds and antes otherwise our tournaments could last several days. Both double every two hours. Obvisouly feel free to amend them anyway you want with how you play. If you have a question let me know. It may not cover 100% of every situation but it gives you a good guideline.
Posted Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:24 pm GMT by K-rug
SeganosCPA I can't find your e-mail address. Miami I e-mailed a copy to you. However, since so many people are looking for a source of compiled rules and asking for what I have compiled I might as well just provide a link for a direct download.
Again, these are the rules I play with. Feel free to edit them to the style and manor for which you play.
Krugar's Compiled Rules
Posted Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:05 pm GMT by SeganosCPA
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
Posted Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:40 pm GMT by Invader
I tried the link for your complete rules and it come up blank any more Ideas where I can get them or yours thanks
Posted Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:39 pm GMT by K-rug
Sorry about that. I just switched hosting companies. The site will be up and running by monday 1-26-03 so you will be able to access it then.
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:59 am GMT by K-rug
ยปCompiled Rules as of 2-10-2004.
You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader because I have things organized into sections with bookmarks.
I have updated my list of compiled poker rules. I caught a couple of typos and tweaked it a bit from our last tournament. The following is a break down of the sections now included. A * means it is a new section or there was a change:
PREFACE*
SUGGESTIONS FOR HOLDING A TOURNAMENT*
HOW TEXAS HOLD'EM WILL BE PLAYED
START TIME AND BREAKS
CONDUCT CODE
POKER ETIQUETTE
TOBACCO USE
DECISIONMAKING
PROCEDURES
SEATING
THE FEES/BUY-IN
MISDEALS
DEAD HANDS
IRREGULARITIES
BETTING AND RAISING*
SIDE BETS*
ALL-IN*
THE SHOWDOWN
TIES*
KICKER*
BUTTON AND BLIND USE
BUTTON AND BLIND USE WITH THE FINAL TWO PLAYERS*
RULES FOR USING BLINDS
Maybe Geno can make this a sticky? Or start a new thread with this post and make it a sticky?
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:31 pm GMT by ORGrinder
hey k... in your rules i see that your small blind is the min bet and the big blind is double the min bet.
i know these are YOUR rules... so this isn't an argument... it's actually a question. i'm going to be holding my first home game here in a few days, and i had planned on making the small blinds HALF of the min bet and the big blind EQUAL to the min bet.
i had thought this was the "standard". is this not correct? is your method the "standard" or is it a modified way of doing things that you prefer? if so, why do you prefer this way of doing it as opposed to the "standard".
thanks for the info!
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:23 pm GMT by K-rug
Sorry in advance that this is going to be a long reply.
Heh... That's a typo. Something that should have been changed from a previous version when we were messing with the blind structure. Sometimes when I look at this thing over and over to proof it the words big blind and small blind get crossed in my head. I guess that makes me blindlexic.
Our Small Blind IS half of the minimum bet. Big Blind should be the minimum bet. Ante is half of the Small Blind. We actually don't play that the small is half though. Due to our chip value and amount of chips that we have and given how many players we have. For us, Ante=$1 S.B.=$2 and BB=$3. The chip value and quantities we play with seem to work perfectly for the legth of play we want. All of this is described in "Suggesstions Sections" of the PDF.
If you are wondering why I use value and amount of chips per player that I do, it is because I purchased two 500 count chip packages for our weekly limit game originally which has a $20 buy-in, 50 blue 150 red and 300 grey (they were out of white) per package. This allows us to have 20 players utilizing all 1,000 chips. For our limit game the value is 30-.25, 15-.50, 5-$1 for a perfect $20 worth of chips for 20 guys. So that is what I had to work with.
Unfortunetly this computer does not have Acrobat installed so I will update the file first thing tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out JKeats.
Oh and FYI with 12 people a no-limit tournament using the amount chips and values I use lasts about 6-7 hours. Which I find to be perfect one day No-Limit play.
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:56 pm GMT by ORGrinder
kewl deal... thanks for the info.
i found something else i had a question on. when you talk about how you open the tourney by going over some of the main rules... you mention that "the winner has the right to see anyone elses hand"
why do you do this? my understanding was that it's general practice for the losers to be able to simply muck their hands if they call and lose... the only individual obligated to how their hand is the individual being called. giving the winner the option of seeing the losers hands, so it seems to me anyway, gives them a TON of power insomuch as they can learn to judge when and with what a person bluffs with.
again... not an argument with your rules... just a question so that i can adjust my game appropriately.
:D
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:50 pm GMT by K-rug
That should read, any hand of anyone at Showdown. Consistant with Rule 5 under The Showdown. That's one of those rules that came down to a vote amungst our players. Those who voted yes reasoned that by virtue of being the winner they essentially "own the cards that were played." They originally wanted to view the muck and I talked them into only those who played at Showdown. I by the way voted "No". My reasoning is that once your hand is dead, well, it's dead. Unfortunetly, several of the "founders" of the game overruled me.
However, that being said, one would think that after every hand the winner would instantly go through every hand in the muck. Honestly, it hardly ever happens. Mostly because a good winner knows how to read a player and doesn't need to know what they have based on how the person plays and any tells that they have. So while I do not agree with it, those who voted yes rarely get a chance to see the cards anyway. If you know what I mean. So I guess it doesn't bother me. But I still don't agree with it. I planned to bring it up again prior to our next tournament.
Keep the questions coming. I am happy to explain the way we do things.
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:56 pm GMT by ORGrinder
kewl deal... thanks for the info. i'm with you on that one. a dead hand is a dead hand. should be losers porogative (spling?) to show or not regardless of the situation... unless, i suppose, colusion is suspected but that's not a normal circumstance.
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:25 pm GMT by K-rug
Another thing under the example things to say is number nine. Basically, if things end on the flop or 4th street to instruct the dealers not to show 4th or 5th street. The situation came up in our tournament. Basically, two guys went head to head all-in and flipped their cards up. It ended on 4th street. There was absolutely no way that the other person could have won. The loser a "founder" of our game wanted to see 5th street. We said no and cited the rule. He argued what does it matter. We responded that the hand was over on 4th street 5th street would not have changed this. He wasn't arguing that he lost. He just wanted to see 5th street out of curiosity. He must have been fishing for something. We said no. He got mad. It was in the rules so it ended.
Needless to say this "founder" voted yes to the rule you cited above and is the overall money loser out of everyone that has ever played over the history of our weekly game. He won one tournament because he was catching cards and took an early chip lead. Needless to say the next tourny he didn't do so well. Just another example of needing to have things documented and your rules straight.
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:28 pm GMT by ORGrinder
ya... in a big tourney like that... rules are for sure a must. from the wording, i'm guessing you have ppl sign this or something when they register? if not, i'd start. LOL. in this day-and-age, i wouldn't put it past someone to sue... even if it's just small claims... because a rule "screwed" them over.
as for the 4th and/or 5th street thing... i could go either way on that one. since it's not like BJ or something where you play a shoe until all cards have been used... and instead the deck is shuffled each time, seems to me that it would be kinda fun at times to see what the next card "would have been" had you stayed in. my caviat (spling?) would be that you have to show your hole cards. it's one thing to fold on a heads up... flip your cards to show everyone why you gave it a go, and ask to see the turn and/or river... it's completely different to NOT show your cards and ask... i would say no in that case.
Posted Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:01 pm GMT by ballbp
I have to disagree JKeats. I'm a big believer in no "chasing the rabbit" as it's called. If someone has bet and you don't call, that's it hand over, no more cards. Only time a beaten hand sees to the river is if both players are all-in and have flipped their cards. Just my rule here. Oh by the way, I'm a stickler about splashing the pot too. 
Posted Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:17 am GMT by K-rug
I agree. Once the hand is dead it is dead.
Splashing the pot. Bah...
We had (stress the word had) this guy that would literally wind up and throw the chips in like a pitcher. You could never tell how much he actually bet. When he was delt his cards he would cup them and bend them almost in half. In fact we have to throw away a deck once. Fortunetly, I am 6'4" 225 and my roommate is 5'11", 250lbs, benches 350lbs and is a former Rugby player. After explaining the rules to him and warning him several times. It was the first time we had to exercise our muscle and he hasn't been back sense. Nor do I expect him to be. It just ruins the play for everyone. After all, besides winning money it is all about fun. If everyone isn't having fun because of one person. Something needs to happen.
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