How wrong was this play...please advise. |
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Posted Thu Dec 25, 2003 3:34 pm GMT by brewcam
I'd like someone's (more expert than me) opinion on this.
I was at a casino last night (one I go to often) playing 4-8 (kill game). I play very tight (probably too tight) and the table was pretty tight as well (usually only about 4-5 callers and very few preflop raises). I was up about $200 at this point.
Player to my right is one of those players (who I find VERY annoying) who buys in for $40, finds a way to go all in, then buys in for another $40 etc until he wins. I don't like people who do this because I think it is basically a trick to play hands for free.
Ok, anyway, on to my question.
Player to my right (the one I mentioned above) had (finally) won two hands in a row and caused a kill pot. He was also the small blind, so I was the big blind. I got 4-5 offsuit which I never ever play, but I already had 4 bucks in to a kill pot and figured it was only 4 more to see the flop, and being that the table was tight I had a reasonable expectation that there would be no raise. Ok, so I throw in the extra four, and, just as I expected, nobody raised (3 folded...most players like to see the flop in the kill pots). OF COURSE, the killer to my right raised. To protect my initial 8 I called the other 8. Ok, I know this is a crappy hand to bet $16 with, but you see how I ended up in this one.
Flop comes 36K rainbow. Not bad. Best hand at this point is KKK, but I have open ended nut straight. Good enough to see the turn. Player to my right bets, I call, everybody else calls.
Turn comes 7, a different suit altogether. Flush now not possible, and I have nut straight. Player to my right bets ($16 to go) and I raise (I think the raise was a mistake). All other players fold, and killer starts grumbling about what could I have, blah blah blah. He calls.
River comes a J (thank god no FH) and I have the nuts. Other player bets, and I just call (stupid, should have raised this time. Another mistake).
Showdown, he has the KK and I beat him with my nut straight. He is PISSED!!! He starts yellilng at me telling me I'm an idiot and for the next hour gives me poker lessons (showing me his hands, explaining when to bet etc) until I tell him I know what I'm doing and to shut up. He turns his back on me and looks the other way for the next 3 hours until I leave (up $350 for the night with him down about $400 on his stupid little $40 at a time buys).
So, I know this was a bad beat for him (would have upset me too) but it was a great win for me, and I really only played the hand to protect the money I had in, and called the pre-flop raise mostly for the pot odds at that point.
Did I play this wrong? Please tell me where. I am NOT a novice player, but I am not an expert either. I usually win a couple hundred when I play, and I am trying to get to the point where I can win $500 to $1000 on a regular basis.
Thanks in advance, and Merry Xmas to everyone.
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Posted Thu Dec 25, 2003 4:59 pm GMT by ballbp
I'm no expert either but I don't see anything wrong with that hand at all. You played the low connectors since you were in the big blind and the table was probably not going to raise pre-flop. After the flop you pegged him on the set of k's but with the open-end straight and him not betting too much it was a playable hand. If someone else would have raised it then you would have had a decision to make. The only thing I would have done is when that 7 came on the river, you should have raised his ass a lot. Being the type of player he sounds like, he would have called no matter what you laid down. Besides that, nice hand and if he didn't see that straight out there then he had no business trying to tell anyone how to play.
Posted Thu Dec 25, 2003 5:58 pm GMT by brewcam
The more I think about it, the more I realize that I completely misplayed the bets/raises.
If I had called on the turn some of the other players might have stayed (and I also still had a chance of losing due to the possibility of a boat). On the other hand, once the river came a J I could have represented JJJ and raised, at which point the other player would have raised and I could have re-raised (etc) and probably bled him dry.
Oh well.
Posted Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:05 pm GMT by Geno
U didn't play it wrong, u won a gr8 pot and pissed an idiot off. Jackpot. Yes, u could have bled him dry considering his loose play but never mind, you will know next time.
May I just add one thing to all:
NEVER JUST CALL WITH THE NUTS, RAISE LIKE A MOFO! 
Posted Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:44 am GMT by Dave B
You should FOR SURE have raised him on the river. He may have capped the betting. Always raise on the river w/ the nuts, there is zero reason not to.
How DARE you take pity on him!!!! Clean him out, then offer to buy him a beer w/ his checks!
Posted Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:04 am GMT by JimiHWannaBe
you played that fine the only mistakes you made were not betting on the turn and river if you have the nuts on the turn he has bad odds to make his full house when youve got the nuts just keep betting em. you got him on tilt though which was good wouldve been alot better in a nl game but thats good anyways.
Posted Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:34 pm GMT by ScanX
I don't understand why everyone agrees with the way he played.
He protects his initial 4 by putting 4 more in the pots, then protects the 8 by putting 8 more with...45o
Did I miss something ?
Posted Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:38 pm GMT by snoogins47
I don't agree with the way you played it really, but it worked out, so meh.
I would almost surely have mucked that pre-flop... though that's definitely an interesting route to go... trapping loose players by staying in on lowish draw hands to pre-flop raises. It can bite you in the ass, and doesn't pay off all the time, but in a situation like this, you could've milked him for even more than you did. Which brings me to the big issue I have... As was said before, and as you know...
Your opponent made a bet. To you. On the river. You had the nuts.
RAISE RAISE RAISE RAISE and RAISE AGAIN!
Nice pot though, it's always fun to take big hands from people who get all pissed off like that. I dunno why, but it's always satisfying to have somebody tell you that you don't know how to play poker after you take all their money ;P
Posted Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:49 pm GMT by shnikies
I would say your play was pretty short of perfect. Though poker is a game of skill there is also some luck involved. Calling a preflop raise with 45u is usually not advised. But, some like throwing their low connectors into the wind hoping for a triple, two pair or a straight draw, you ended with the latter, pretty lucky. Also, not raising with a nut hand on the river is pointless, worse comes to worse, he folds, but at least try to get him to bite on a min raise. About the guy giving you crap, he was a little out of his element, not very classy for a casino table. In a way, he did play the hand well, could have been worse for him, he bet a top triple with a 45 under being the only hand that could beat him. I wouldnt expect a 45 preflop caller, but I wasn't there and tells are another thing. When I play with my friends and someone pulls a circus act like you did, I'm bitter and I'll let him know, but, hey, even clowns get paid.
Posted Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:53 pm GMT by TheSportsPredictor
You won by using the art of poker -- playing the people rather than the cards.
You had a small chance with the 45. Since you were in the small blind, it barely cost you anything to stay in and see what happens. Tightass didn't raise you enough to knock you out, so apparently HE played it poorly. If he wants you to fold, he should have raised more.
Obviously, you read the PLAYERS at the table perfectly. As the results showed, this is just as important as playing the cards.
Posted Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:03 pm GMT by sickity
Honestly I don't see how you could ever have played something wrong if you end up taking a nice pot to yourself, if you call that wrong then that must mean losing is right, which is wrong....LAter
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