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Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:25 pm GMT by martini
Are you allowed to expose your cards on purpose and play them face up?
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Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:27 pm GMT by Bleakill
well in usial non-formal games you sure can flip your cards and play open but why would you be an idiot and do so? dunno about casinos though, since they can enforce whichever rules they wish...
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by martini
One reason you may want to is that you are in collussion with someone else.
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:43 pm GMT by Bleakill
ah well..., i wasn't implying that, i mean, that's the different issue...if there's a collusion going on, they might find by far better ways to tell each other the strengths of cards.
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:12 pm GMT by QuietOne
And if you were you are in collussion with someone else and that was how you went about it, it would be pretty obvious and in most games you'd probably get the crap kicked out of you. With the guys I play with you'd be asked to leave and never get invited to another game.
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:19 pm GMT by martini
Okay, thanks for the lesson on how not to get the crap kicked out of you. I was answering why someone might do such a thing, that's all. I'm looking for a factual answer on whether it is allowed or not going by the majority of casinos or WSOP rules.
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:25 pm GMT by martini
Follow up question: If it is allowed, is it allowed at any time during the hand or must it they be exposed from the very beginning of the hand?
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:12 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| martini wrote: | | Follow up question: If it is allowed, is it allowed at any time during the hand or must it they be exposed from the very beginning of the hand? |
This kind of thing would be strictly a house rule, so you're not going to find consensus.
The only place I've seen this mentioned as a tactic is in Super System where Brunson did it when he was heads-up against a player who had moved all-in. He flipped over his cards to try to provoke a reaction from the other player to help in making his decision. Given the number of similar questions about this that have been posted, it seems there are enough idiots out there who didn't bother to read the entire paragraph to understand WHY he did it or the circumstances under which it occurred.
I guess there's the other possibility that some ego-laden ass thinks he can beat the game with his cards face up. I say let them try.
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:12 pm GMT by YosemiteMark
This site is about as "official" as you can get for home poker rules:
http://www.pokercoach.us/RobsPkrRulesHome.htm
To quote from it:
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POKER ETIQUETTE
The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator:
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Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete.
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So showing a hand while there is still live betting going on is considered a violation
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:14 pm GMT by QuietOne
I understand you were looking for a ruling but the fact is, except in a rare instance like in Supersystem, showing you cards makes no sense at all. If it were collusion between players, I would consider that cheating.
I was watching the WSOP (or maybe it was the WPT) and I saw a player hint around about what the cards he was holding might be. Another player complained. The announcer did say the any mention of your cards is a volition of the rules, so I guess showing your cards would fall under the same umbrella.
Maybe?
Posted Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:07 pm GMT by ORGrinder
my understanding is that in trny poker at the casinos... this is a big no no. considered an automatic fold and if it happens later in the trny or multiple times, they'll boot you out of the trny even if you have chips left.
i'm not speaking from personal experiance though. just what i've been told.
home games are a much different beast though. i for one consider it an auto fold... but if you're playing someplace that allows it then that's the way it is i guess.
but again... pretty sure it's a major violation at the casinos.
Posted Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:44 am GMT by Jauron
I'd be suprised if you found any Casino that allowed it.
Home games are all different, some have crazy rules. Personally I like the never show your hand until the hand is over rule, it keeps other stupid stuff from happening.
Posted Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:54 pm GMT by Adam Marshall
Lookie at the TDA rules #7 and #35:
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/wsop_rules.php
Looks like nobody's sure!
Most casinos kill your hand if you intentionally show your cards. I think the only reason that they use the word MAY in there is because there can be a dispute over whether it was intentional or not. They don't want to have a rule that defines "intentional actions" or "unintentional actions".
Every place I've ever played will kill your hand if you expose though.
Posted Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:34 pm GMT by martini
Unless you've got the nuts?
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