Another how many of each denomination question |
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Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:16 pm GMT by Nickmast
I plan on getting a set big enough for 11 people for home game purposes.
At our usual home games the blinds are 25, 50 to start and doubling each time the go up (50,100) (100,200)
We give out chips like this:
15- $25
10- $50
10- $100
TOTAL $1875 (thinking that maybe I should bump it up to an even $2000)
The set that I'm probably going to get is the Kings Crown Set from TRKing. (they only have $25, $100, $500, unless I get them custom made by Dennis, changing the $5 inlay to a $50 inlay, giving me $25, $50, $100 denomination chips. I aleady talked with Dennis about this. $1.25 per chip @ 100 minimum)
So if I go with the $25,$50,$100 how many of each do you think I will need?
If I go with the $25,$100,$500 how many of each do you think i will need?
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Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:43 pm GMT by DaBear
I would forget about the $50 chips. Only double 25 and only half of 100.
Go with 25,100 and 500.
If you start with 2000 break them down as follows
20 x 25's
10 x 100's
1 x 500
Total chips needed for 11 people
25's- 11 x 20 = 220
100's- 11 x 10 = 110 plus 11 x 5 ( To color up the greens)=165
500's-11 x 1 =11 plus 11 x 3 ( To color up the blacks)=44
To cover yourself order 500 chips.
225 greens
175 blacks
100 purple
Some extra purples for re-buys or add-on.
Hope this helps
Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:17 pm GMT by Fins
Why not go in on this deal...
Custom Spot TR Kings Posted here
Main thread started here
That aside why do you like having a $25 & $50... I would think you would be better off having 25/100/500 as opposed to 25/50/100.
Here are two others suggestions for similar structures...
UNLOADED:
I do 30 man tournament every so often often and it usually
runs about 5 hrs. 1500 in chips to start. 8@25 8@100 1@500
Blinds are: (1st level 30min & all others 20 min)
25/25 300/600
25/50 400/800
50/100 500/1000
75/150 600/1200
100/200 700/1400
150/300 800/1600
200/400 900/1800
250/500 1000/2000
Usually doesnt get this high. A few things to make it simpler.
If your chips don't have numbers on them when you reach 100/200 level
take half of everybody's 25's and make whats left 50's. If they have an odd one,
let them keep it. Saves time and hassle of race-off. If they are marked, race the
25's for 100's after the 250/500 level. Having an extra color to bring in later as
1000's helps a lot too. Big stacks of small denomination chips really slow the play.
Also starting the tournament on a half hour, like 6:30 helps. First level ends on the
hour, the rest are 20 mins. If you make breaks 20 mins too, it will be easy for
players to watch clock and see where they are before blinds go up.
Use a timer too though.
I've never done rebuys or addons, not sure how they will effect things. I would
have a different set of chips and encourage side games for those who drop out.
We usually have a $25 cash game with .$25/$.50 blinds for those out.
That way as people go out, they can join mid-game.
GRANDGNU:
Alright, if you've got 1000 chips to divide up amongst 30 players:
500 Green ($25 value)
400 Black ($100 value)
50 Purple ($500 value)
50 Grey ($1,000 value)
Each player begins with:
16xGreen= $400
6xBlack= $600
1xPurple= $500
TOTAL STARTING CHIPS: $1,500 (45K in play)
Rounds should run 15 minutes each:
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300 (25 ante)
200/400 (25 ante)
250/500 (50 ante)
BREAK-COLOR IN $25 CHIPS
300/600 (100 ante)
400/800 (100 ante)
500/1,000 (200 ante)
600/1,200 (300 ante)
800/1,600 (400 ante)
BREAK-COLOR IN $100 CHIPS
1,000/2,000 (500 ante)
1,500/3,000 (500 ante)
2,000/4,000 (500 ante)
2,500/5,000 (500 ante)
This gives you four hours of blinds/antes plus the breaks on top of that.
The antes kick in fairly early, and with a full table of 10 players make for
some nice steal opportunities (since the antes will significantly increase
the pot sizes with a full table)
****
There's some good info just there although both are for larger tourneys... just decide on how many players you want to be able to cover and account for some color ups as needed.
- Fins
Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:57 pm GMT by Nickmast
The only reason I'm not getting in on the TRKing Crowns group buy is because I dont have enough money to throw in all at once to get a full set. (getting married) I have to collect my set over time and those chips are only gonna be run once and wont be able to expand on them.
Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:10 pm GMT by Fins
| Nickmast wrote: | | The only reason I'm not getting in on the TRKing Crowns group buy is because I dont have enough money to throw in all at once to get a full set. (getting married) I have to collect my set over time and those chips are only gonna be run once and wont be able to expand on them. |
Congrats!!!
Makes sense... so does hinting for a wedding present! 
Still not sure why you want the $50 though?
DaBear's 225Grn/175Blk/100Pur is a good one... would work for the two structures I mentioned. Also, looks good for cash games as 25¢/$1/$5.
- Fins
Just realized I posted the old like for the TR King on 2+2... here's an updated one.
Posted Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:21 pm GMT by Nickmast
thx fins.
Only reason I was considering the 50s is because Ive never been in a tourney or homegame that wasnt 25, 50, 100 chips with 25/50 blinds to start. Its not that I'm against the 25,100,500 
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:11 am GMT by Wooderson
After 2 years I finally convinced a buddy of mine that hosts our 24-man tourneys to drop his 50 chip.
We did blinds starting at 25/50 and doubling every 30min.
We used to get $3800 in chips:
24 x $25
24 x $50
10 x $100
2 x $500
Now we get $4000:
40 x $25
20 x $100
2 x $500
MUCH better than before.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:49 am GMT by PinataUT
For the TR King group buy, it is true that we won't be doing a reprint of that same order. But since we are using the stock inlay, you could get your higher denoms done up and hold off on the lower ones.
Later, you can pick up the reds (greens?) in Dennis's 'standard' colors (e.g. red with 4 blue edge spots).
Would it be too lame to have NexGens for a little bit? Or plain / hotstamped signal green ones ($.50 instead of $.85)? Just get 'KCC' on the hotstamp and 25 w/o a $ sign and you're all set to later slide those into $.25 role in cash games on the side...
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:15 am GMT by Nickmast
I would do that PinataUT but the colors that were picked for the group buy conflicts with the stock edgespots. The 500 chip has white and orange edgespots (the stock 100 has white edgespots). The 100 chip has red and torquoise edgespots (the stock 25 has red edgespots). This wouldnt make a great looking set if I mixed the stock with the Group Buy crowns. UNFORTUNATELY!!!
Nickmast
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:21 pm GMT by Grumbler
I have found that having chips go up 4 to 5 the previous size helps on cost and makes more sense. For example:
$1
$5
$25
$100
$500
$1000 This breaks the rule but I wanted 1k chips. The next would be 5k etc.
I don't think $10 or $50 chips add anything except additional cost to the host.
Posted Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:14 pm GMT by Hardmix
Off topic.....fins I am located in Cumming and am intersted in a local tourney or game.... please e-mail if there are opennings hardmix@adelphia.net
Posted Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:00 pm GMT by pencilsmasher
I'm in on the TRK group buy and I have to finalize my order, but I thought since I've never hosted a tourney, I'd ask what you guys think of my order. I'm gettting 600 chips.
250 x $25
200 x $100
100 x $500
50 x $1000
Originally I had a whole bunch of $5s in but I followed DaBear's recommend plus added a few. What do you think?
Posted Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:24 pm GMT by pencilsmasher
I was also considering this:
200 x $5
225 x $25
100 X $100
50 x $500
25 x $1000
Posted Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:51 pm GMT by slowplayray
| pencilsmasher wrote: | I was also considering this:
200 x $5
225 x $25
100 X $100
50 x $500
25 x $1000 |
This set is much more flexible than the 1st one you mentioned, and will allow you to pull off some bigger (15+ people) tournaments if necessary...
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:23 am GMT by WaltDisney
| pencilsmasher wrote: | I was also considering this:
200 x $5
225 x $25
100 X $100
50 x $500
25 x $1000 |
Looks good, but I offer one suggestion. From $5 to $25 to $100 to $500, you're going up by factors of 4 or 5 times the previous chip. But from $500 to $1000 the increase is only double. You can easily use two $500 chips instead of $1000.
Maybe instead of getting the $1000, you can add more $100 and $500 chips. In addition, playing with 4 colors will be simpler than 5.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:14 am GMT by pencilsmasher
Great - thanks for the advice. I reduced the amount of $1000s to just ten. I just want a few just for cool factor.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:25 pm GMT by tastic
of the 6-7 different denom and distribution schemes I've used, the most successful 500 chip set I've used with respect to ease of chipping up, rebuys and ability to use most of the chipset...without any one denomination being short or having too many unused is:
200 green
200 black
75 purple
25 yellow
(25, 100, 500, 1000 denom, respectively)
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:30 pm GMT by WaltDisney
| tastic wrote: | of the 6-7 different denom and distribution schemes I've used, the most successful 500 chip set I've used with respect to ease of chipping up, rebuys and ability to use most of the chipset...without any one denomination being short or having too many unused is:
200 green
200 black
75 purple
25 yellow
(25, 100, 500, 1000 denom, respectively) |
That sounds like a pretty good breakdown. Do you mostly play tournaments? When you play cash games, how do you breakdown the chip values?
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:10 pm GMT by tastic
I play almost exclusively tournaments now but in the past...I have used 2 chip colors only for cash games...one denom 4-5 times the other...ie 5c,25c
10c,50c
25c,$1...etc...depending on what the participants have preferred...
now my tournaments start with $2500 and 25/50 starting blinds...
I give out the 2500 in greens, blacks and a couple of purples...
at 100/200 I have a break and chip up the greens...
at 500/1000 I have another break and chip up the blacks...
so generally the final few people are battling with stacks of 500s and 1000s only...
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:07 pm GMT by CaptLego
| tastic wrote: | of the 6-7 different denom and distribution schemes I've used, the most successful 500 chip set I've used with respect to ease of chipping up, rebuys and ability to use most of the chipset...without any one denomination being short or having too many unused is:
200 green
200 black
75 purple
25 yellow
(25, 100, 500, 1000 denom, respectively) |
That looks like a great breakdown for tournaments, as you describe. If you want to support rebuys, you could add a few more purple/yellow. As it is, it looks like you'll use most all of them doing color-ups.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:34 pm GMT by tastic
absolutely...at "max" capacity for my set, I have 15 purples and 5 yellows left over for rebuys...$12500...certainly add more if you find that there are many rebuys...in my tourneys my starting modest blind schedule combined with generally more tentative play by my players has kept rebuys to a minimum...in fact, my last 3-4 tourneys had no rebuys at all...(granted, I only ever allowed rebuys for the first hour)...so I've never had the need to top up the higher denoms with this set...
Posted Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:06 pm GMT by circlencircle
Well I finally broke down and decided to order some cheapies to hold over until I find the clays I'm looking for. I decided on the 10gr Faux Dice Clay. The idea is to be able to accommodate large and small tournaments and even small ring games where people might want to play dollar for dollar with $20-$100 buy in. I read all the posts in this thread before deciding but after staring at the order page on wedoitallvegas.com, putting in various combinations for 25 minutes, I got a headache and just went with this. What do you all think.
RED ($5) 300 chips
GREEN ($25) 200 chips
BLACK ($100) 300 chips
PURPLE ($500) 100 chips
YELLOW ($1000) 75 chips
GRAY ($5000) 25 chips
I figure I can always adjust the denoms if I get into a bind since they are blank chips i.e. make the gray's 10,000 if someone really gets high stacked in a large tourney or make them $1 if its just a few guys playing low stakes, dollar for dollar. Now that I think about it maybe I should have gone with 75 gray and 250 black?? eh, these things are so cheap I'll just buy more... $0.06!! I got 1000 for $75 after shipping...
Posted Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:30 pm GMT by Jon Dahlberg
I have decided to buy 600 archetype chips from BuyPokerChips.com and had planned to get the following denominations (in accordance with the recommendations from Home Poker Tourney):
200 x $5
200 x $25
100 x $100
100 x $500
If I place the order before the 15th I get a 10% bonus to the amount of chips, another 60 chips. How do you guys suggest I change the above configuration? Should I add $1000 chips, another 60 $100, ...?
We mainly (only) play tournaments and usually around 6-8 people, although I expect that it will be a few more players occasionally.
Posted Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:30 pm GMT by Fins
| Jon Dahlberg wrote: | If I place the order before the 15th I get a 10% bonus to the amount of chips, another 60 chips. How do you guys suggest I change the above configuration? Should I add $1000 chips, another 60 $100, ...?
We mainly (only) play tournaments and usually around 6-8 people, although I expect that it will be a few more players occasionally. |
Split it up... 40 x 100's & 20 x 1000's
- Fins
Posted Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:06 pm GMT by circlencircle
I have been thinking about what denoms I want to buy of the new Paulson’s. I realized it would have been better if they had made the 50cent chips 25cent. I wanted to put two sets together, one tournament set of $25, $100, $500, $1000 chips and a small stakes set for ring games of $5, $1, 50cent but I realized that really doesn’t work too well unless your buy in is $50 or more. Ours is only $20 because we play 4-5 nights a week.
I really like the $5 chips but now there isn’t any reason to buy them.
eli
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:34 pm GMT by Jon Dahlberg
Thanks for your input Fins. I have been thinking about my selection over the weekend. I am considering to change it to lower denominations in order to easier allow low limit cash games (substituting $s for Swedish crowns, real low limit), where the lowest starting bet would be $1 (or 1 crown).
Combining the low limit cash game idea with a 12 person tournament with a starting amount of $200 (20 $1, 16 $5 and 4 $25) gives me the following configuration:
240 $1 = 12 x 20
240 $5 = 12 x 16 + 48 color ups
120 $25 = 12 x 4 + 48 color ups + 24 extra
40 $100 = 30 color ups + 10 extra
20 $500 = 8 color ups + 12 extra
= 660 total chips
Another bonus is that the colors of the chips will differ more (with the added white chips), the $5s and $500s in the archetype set are kind of similar in color.
Does anyone have any comments on the above? Will I lose in tournament flexibility when compared to my original configuration? Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:18 pm GMT by CaptLego
| Jon Dahlberg wrote: | Thanks for your input Fins. I have been thinking about my selection over the weekend. I am considering to change it to lower denominations in order to easier allow low limit cash games (substituting $s for Swedish crowns, real low limit), where the lowest starting bet would be $1 (or 1 crown).
Combining the low limit cash game idea with a 12 person tournament with a starting amount of $200 (20 $1, 16 $5 and 4 $25) gives me the following configuration:
240 $1 = 12 x 20
240 $5 = 12 x 16 + 48 color ups
120 $25 = 12 x 4 + 48 color ups + 24 extra
40 $100 = 30 color ups + 10 extra
20 $500 = 8 color ups + 12 extra
= 660 total chips
Another bonus is that the colors of the chips will differ more (with the added white chips), the $5s and $500s in the archetype set are kind of similar in color.
Does anyone have any comments on the above? Will I lose in tournament flexibility when compared to my original configuration? Your feedback is greatly appreciated. |
I like it.
I think you've miscalculated your $100 and $500 a bit, though. You're planning for 12 players w/ T200. It would take only 24 $100 chips to replace every other chip on the table. It's probably not worth coloring up to $100 chips, since:
96 $25 chips is manageable on the table, and
your tourney is likely to be over befor the small blind reaches $100.
You could use the $100 chips for rebuys, however.
I don't see how you have any use for the $500 chips.
If you want to have the $100 and $500 chips just to round out the set, you could use them for games with fewer players and higher stakes, but for your normal 12 person tourney, you don't need them.
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by Jon Dahlberg
The calculations included the "extra" chips.
Ok, so maybe I should drop the $500s entirely. Where should I add these 20 chips?
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:27 pm GMT by circlencircle
| tastic wrote: | of the 6-7 different denom and distribution schemes I've used, the most successful 500 chip set I've used with respect to ease of chipping up, rebuys and ability to use most of the chipset...without any one denomination being short or having too many unused is:
200 green
200 black
75 purple
25 yellow
(25, 100, 500, 1000 denom, respectively) |
what was your buy in, how was it broken down and what was the blind structure with this set?
eli
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