New here, suggestions for chip denoms and amount??? |
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Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:45 am GMT by TGuns
Hey all,
I've been lurking around the forum for awhile but never actually registered/posted until now. Sorry if this was covered in a previous post, I didn't see one (link post if there is please). I wanted to ask some questions about a chip set that I will be purchasing in a few months.
I will be hosting 1 or 2x weekly home games, probably only 4-8 players average, and maybe up to 10 people max. We are most likely going to play NL Texas Hold'em (like we already do at other games) but I might throw in some low limit as well. For that amount of players and this type of game, any suggestions on 1.) number of total chips 2.) denominations 3.) breakdown of quantity per denom.
I was guessing somewhere between 400-800 chips, not really sure on denominations, and I've heard that equal amount of each denomination is ok. Also, I'd like to stick with approx. 4 color/denoms because I don't see the point in having 10 different for the relatively small games I'll be hosting. For example, maybe:
150 white, $1
150 red, $5
150 green, $25
150 black, $100
*600 chips total
Any suggestions on what I should go with here is much appreciated. I've heard everything from "buy 1000 chips" to "buy 400" and would like to get it figured out. As far as the chip manufacturer goes, my philosophy has always been "spend the extra $ for a good product once, and you'll rarely have to replace it." I see no point in purchasing cheap plastic dice chips (that I've seen all over) and would much rather get a better set. I've looked at pokerchipreviews.com and John has an awesome site with tons of good info. If I decide to go with a lower number of total chips I can afford to get better quality...
Well, I guess that's enough of a rant for now, right. BTW, any word on new Paulson chips out yet?
Tom
"T Guns"
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Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:23 am GMT by Nugzy
I find tournaments are easiest to play in a home game with 25 and 100 chips. Start everyone with 20 25 chips, and 20 100 chips, which equals 2500 chips. Blinds start at 25/50, which is 50 large bets. If you have enough people, color up eventually.
I also like the WSOP Tournament of Champions structure. Im getting the WSOP ChipCo chips so I can start playing with this structure. Use 1000 and 5000 chips, and everyone starts with a total of 200,000 chips. Blinds start at 2000/4000 with a 1000 ante.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:28 am GMT by galderon
I'm in the same boat...I've wanted to get a set of chips for a long while now, but I just can't decide on what to go with.
Do you play cash games or do you play tournament style, or both? People around here that play tournaments say that you should go right to $25 as your lowest denomination chip, but I've never really understood that. I play tournament style with my buddies, and the lowest chip is $1, and everyone starts with $200. This is functionally equivalent to have the lowest chip $5 and everyone starting with $1000, or the lowest chip $25 and starting with $5000.
I don't know how well an even distribution will work...especially with 4-8 guys...most of your games won't even get to the fourth chip, so you certainly don't need 150 of them. For 8 guys or less, 500 chips is plenty. To accurately determine what chips you'll need, we'll need to know more about the game you play.
As far as the quality of the chips is concerned, yeah, the consensus agrees with you...spend the extra money once.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:36 am GMT by Nickmast
I just asked the same question yesterday and got some good replies
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t8188/another-how-many-of-each-denomination-question?sid=04e0fa7a22c578ee5341eb14eece211e
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:32 pm GMT by TGuns
Thanks for the replies so far,
Nickmast yeah I see I posted a similar question, and yours has some good info in there I have noted, thanks.
As far as the game I will be playing; most always we play tournament style - cash in a pot, winner takes all but 2nd gets his money back, that sort of thing. As for the vague number of people there, well I know it will only start out with probably 4 or 5 consistent players but I am hoping after a month or 2 we can get a solid 8 player night and maybe even start another weekly if it gets popular enough. So, probably about 500 chips then? I don't ever play with ante although the WSOP style would be interesting to try (on a smaller scale I guess.) I just seem to keep getting conflicting view on 1/5/25/100 vs. 50/100/500/1000 or 100/1000/5000 and so on.
to recap: ideally 8 players tourney style NL hold'em, 500 chips
maybe: 200 low denom, 200 mid denom, 100 high denom?
ratio?
Keep the info comin!
T Guns
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:54 pm GMT by galderon
| TGuns wrote: |
to recap: ideally 8 players tourney style NL hold'em, 500 chips
maybe: 200 low denom, 200 mid denom, 100 high denom?
ratio?
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Yeah, that sounds right. You just need to work out the math. Let's say you want to be able to support up to 10 guys, giving everyone $200, using $1 (white), $5 (red), $25 (green), and $100 (black) chips. To start, you give everyone 20 whites, 16 reds and 4 greens. That gives you a total of 200/160/40. Then, when you remove white chips, you'll need an extra 40 reds, bringing you to 200/200/40. Removing red chips requires 40 more greens (200/200/80). Add an extra 20 greens to allow for re-buys, and you've got your set.
Later down the road you could pick up black chips, which would allow you to color-up your greens. You might want to do this once you get closer to your full table of 10.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:25 pm GMT by TGuns
Galderon, excellent breaking down the math - it helps a lot (and I suck at math.) I was pretty sure that's the type of scheme I was gonna go with, maybe even adding 50 or 100 black chips into the purchase just for good measure. Plus if I buy nice chips I'll probably have a slim chance of adding to the set in the future.
The only other thing I was trying to sort out in my head was the blinds situation - 1/2, 2/4, 4/6? no. I could go 2/5, 5/10 but 2/5 can get confusing. No multiples of 5 is kinda rough for 5 and 25 denoms. Or start higher with 5/10 blinds and you've got 200 in chips, somehow seems a little light for a full night's game. Makes me think I want higher denom chips altogether! Arr, still thinking...
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:35 pm GMT by Nickmast
We play starting with $2000. 25/50 blinds (blinds up every 20 minutes). This gives everyone a good amount of chips yet it encourages quicker play. Dont play any pots through a few rounds of blind increases and youll find yourself severly on a shortstack. I hate it when people hand out a A$$load of chips and the blinds are low. Makes for a game that isnt very fun.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:29 pm GMT by WaltDisney
I asked the same question about a week ago and I've been putting a lot of consideration into what everyone has been suggesting.
I'm still waiting for my chip samples to arrive before I order, and this is what I'm planning to get.
200 X green(25)
200 X black (100)
100 X purple(500)
start with 20 greens and 20 blacks total of 2500 chips
blinds start at 25/50
the whole set of 500 chips equals 75,000 units, which is 30 times the 2500 buy-in. so for 10 people, theoretically each person can rebuy once and there would still be extra chips.
What do you guys think?
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:49 pm GMT by galderon
| TGuns wrote: | | The only other thing I was trying to sort out in my head was the blinds situation - 1/2, 2/4, 4/6? |
The blind structure my group uses is:
1/2
2/4
3/6
Remove whites
5/10
10/20
15/30
Remove reds
25/50
50/100
75/150
Break
100/200
150/300
200/400
This is giving everyone $200 to start. Blinds should last 20 or 30 minutes, depending on how long you want to game to go.
| Nickmast wrote: | | I hate it when people hand out a A$$load of chips and the blinds are low. |
Yeah, I originally we had that problem in our group...everyone had it in their heads that more chips=more fun, so we maximized the number of chips, and then we realized that when we did that, white chips were worthless.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:25 pm GMT by Grumbler
I went through all this quite a while back and I found the decision starting point was to decide how much you wanted each player to start with. We started our play (NL Tournament style) with everyone getting $1000 in chips.
20 $5 * 10 people = 200
12 $25 * 10 = 120
6 $100 * 10 = 60
You will also need to have enough additional chips to (40- $25) "color up" when the $5 chips are no longer needed.
Blinds started at $10/$20
However, then I latched onto the idea of bumping the chip count to what we now use. We have 10 to 12 players each week and I give out $10,000 per player with no rebuy. It looks like this:
20 $100 (10 Players = 200)
10 $500 (100)
3 $1000 (30)
You will also need to have enough additional chips to (40- $500 or 20 -$1000) "color up" when the $100 chips are no longer needed.
Blinds start at $100/$200
If you think you would ever have more people or you would want to have a tournment then these numbers should be doubled.
Food for thought.
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:11 pm GMT by DaBear
T Guns,
Check here if you haven't already
http://www.homepokertourney.com/
Lots of info on chips needed, blind structures etc..........
Bear
Posted Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:22 pm GMT by PanthersHUTCH15
Definately check out the site mentioned above.
For about a year, we have started with 10K in chips with 100/200 blindes and then increase to 200/400, 300/600, 400/800 every 15-20 minutes.
This has worked out very well, but I have around 220K in chips, and I want to use them all, so we are now fooling around with trying to get it to work out well with 20K starting chips.
Nothing has worked too great yet, but this week we will try starting blinds at 200/400, then increase to 400/800, 600/1200, 800/1600, etc... every 15-20 minutes and it should work out like it did with 10K.
It doesn't really matter if you have high or low denoms, just so that the math works out to the point where every starts with about 50 big bets, and then have them gradually increase. I only use 100, 500, and 1000 chips, and each player now starts with around 70 chips equalling 20K.
Posted Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:30 am GMT by TGuns
Nickmast: seems like a nice simple system, probably especially good for smaller games as well?
WaltDisney: sounds like yours is similar to Nicks, just difference between 50 and 40 BB's.
Galderon: that blind structure sounds pretty effective - I like the "color up" at set intervals because otherwise it seems that you end up banking with the other players on the board more than actually playing.
Grumbler and Panthers: you guys use big denominations - same concept different scale I suppose?
DaBear: thanks for the link, browsing the site now.
I like the idea of about 50BB's to start - is this pretty standard ratio?
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