Posted Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:58 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
I promised you guys a Matsui movie over the weekend, so here was the first go.
http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/movies/matsui.wmv
*However*...I'm going to do it over this weekend...so I'm not posting a link on the site yet. (You can download it all you want from the above link). I also did the whole 'chip comparison' thing this weekend but really didn't like the results in the end....so I'm doing that over as well.
Also coming this weekend is a review of the 'low-cost' coin centered chips seen all over the place now.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
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Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:14 am GMT by tomb1
Thanks John. I seem to recall that the coin inlay chips are 40mm diameter, slightly larger than the standard 39mm for Paulson, Chipco, etc. Is this the case with your samples? And what about the diameter of the decal chips?
Also, is the plastic on the decal chips any "softer" than the coin inlay chips. I also think the coins are too hard so I was interested in the decals.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:16 am GMT by ott
I have some samples of the Matsui decal chips and I can say that the plastic is softer than ones with coin center. The Matsui is very close to the Bud Jones decal chips.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:42 am GMT by TenPercenter
| tomb1 wrote: | Thanks John. I seem to recall that the coin inlay chips are 40mm diameter, slightly larger than the standard 39mm for Paulson, Chipco, etc. Is this the case with your samples? And what about the diameter of the decal chips?
Also, is the plastic on the decal chips any "softer" than the coin inlay chips. I also think the coins are too hard so I was interested in the decals. |
The coin chips and the decal chips from Matsui are exactly the same width and thickness, 40mm and 3.3mm. Their clays (nice clays I think) are the same too, but just a hair under 3.3 thick, not even enough to count.
Like you said, most chips are 39mm. But most are also 3.3mm thick, and that is really the thing to worry about. At 40mm, they're going to fit in most cases anyway. At 3.3mm thick, they'll also have the right amount of chips per row, which is where it REALLY gets annoying with oversized chips.
The plastic on the coins and decals feels the same to me. And Ott, I have to respectivley disagree with you regarding the Bud Jones chips.
While I have a very high regard for the Matsui chips, The Bud Jones chips are much less slick. They stack a lot better than Matsui. Honestly, Matsui chips stack no better than dice chips. The clay Matsui's? Superb in all ways but color choices.
Ten
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:25 am GMT by ott
I think the plastic slickiness diminishes with age and handling.
I have over 600 Bud Jones chips which are mostly new. They are also pretty slick compared with the new Matsui samples I have. The Bud Jones plastic may be just a tad softer than Matsui's decal chips. It's not as noticeable when comparing the Matsui Decals plastic to the Matsui coin centered chips.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:41 am GMT by pokerchipreviews
You know...I was pretty convinced that the plastic on the coin-centered vs the plastic on the decals was different....but now I'm not so sure. Spent some time last night messing with both and the more I played with them...to closer the plastic felt. Overall...as a chip...the decals definitely 'feel' softer and handle a lot better than the coin-centered....but now I'm not sure if there really is any difference in the hardness of the plastic.
As far as comparing to Bud Jones....a pokerchipreviews.com reader was kind enough to send me quite a few BJ decal chips to check out. They are very slick and very soft. Much smoother than the Matsui decals and much more 'rubbery' feeling. Great chips though...I'm jealous of you Ott, nice collection you've got there. 
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:44 am GMT by PinataUT
The clay Matsui's? Superb in all ways but color choices.
I thought you didn't get the clays?
They have 42 colors and can do a double-wide like pokerchips.com or a triple double. I thought the feeling was great... the problem I had was that for the cost I'd like to be able to do an inlay... at the moment they only offer hot-stamping.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:40 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
I didn't get any clays. When I asked, they told me they were in the process of re-working their clays and would send me some after they are available again. I don't know the details of the re-work.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:48 pm GMT by warewulf619
| pokerchipreviews wrote: | You know...I was pretty convinced that the plastic on the coin-centered vs the plastic on the decals was different....but now I'm not so sure. Spent some time last night messing with both and the more I played with them...to closer the plastic felt. Overall...as a chip...the decals definitely 'feel' softer and handle a lot better than the coin-centered....but now I'm not sure if there really is any difference in the hardness of the plastic.
As far as comparing to Bud Jones....a pokerchipreviews.com reader was kind enough to send me quite a few BJ decal chips to check out. They are very slick and very soft. Much smoother than the Matsui decals and much more 'rubbery' feeling. Great chips though...I'm jealous of you Ott, nice collection you've got there.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com |
The 'rubbery' feeling is exactly what I was thinking. I have a full sample pack of the Matsui's, including the clays. The decal chips are definitely VERY nice chips. The rubbery feeling is what they lack. They are harder than Bud Jones chips. The rubbery, soft feeling of a BJ is what makes them 'stick' to each other and makes them one of the most stackable chips, if not the most stackable.
See the following for my chip stacking challenge:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1225879&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=all&vc=1
BJ is the current champ.
The Matsui, I doubt would stack anywhere close the BJ. They're nice chips, I just dont think they stack up.
The coin center Matsui are absolute crap. They sound bad and cheap, feel worse.
I wasn't completely impressed with the clays either. They just seem to plasticy to me.
If you need some for reviews, shoot me a PM and I'll loan them to you.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:39 pm GMT by Nate PT
| warewulf619 wrote: |
The 'rubbery' feeling is exactly what I was thinking. I have a full sample pack of the Matsui's, including the clays. The decal chips are definitely VERY nice chips. The rubbery feeling is what they lack. They are harder than Bud Jones chips. The rubbery, soft feeling of a BJ is what makes them 'stick' to each other and makes them one of the most stackable chips, if not the most stackable.
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You sicko! 
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:49 pm GMT by warewulf619
| Nate PT wrote: | | warewulf619 wrote: |
The 'rubbery' feeling is exactly what I was thinking. I have a full sample pack of the Matsui's, including the clays. The decal chips are definitely VERY nice chips. The rubbery feeling is what they lack. They are harder than Bud Jones chips. The rubbery, soft feeling of a BJ is what makes them 'stick' to each other and makes them one of the most stackable chips, if not the most stackable.
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You sicko! |
Nice catch!
I truly think that part of what drives me to win in a poker game is I look at my stack of chips, look at theirs, and think it would look so much better if I had all their chips! The chip obsession drives me!
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:05 pm GMT by ott
| pokerchipreviews wrote: | | You know...I was pretty convinced that the plastic on the coin-centered vs the plastic on the decals was different....but now I'm not so sure. Spent some time last night messing with both and the more I played with them...to closer the plastic felt. Overall...as a chip...the decals definitely 'feel' softer and handle a lot better than the coin-centered....but now I'm not sure if there really is any difference in the hardness of the plastic. |
I was tapping the plastic with my nails on the Matsui decal and the Matsui coin-centered chips, the sound was definitely higher pitched on the coin centered chips than the decal ones. Although the decal chips are a little heavier than the coin-centered chips I have.
The Bud Jones chips does have a "rubbery" feel to them as opposed to Matsui chips.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:47 pm GMT by PanthersHUTCH15
LOL Nate...I knew something was weird about that sentence.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:50 pm GMT by PinataUT
THeir clays are pretty sweet. If they had more edgespot options and had inlays togther I'd be hard pressed to pass up getting some.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:21 pm GMT by ledavatar
| PinataUT wrote: | | They have 42 colors and can do a double-wide like pokerchips.com or a triple double. I thought the feeling was great... the problem I had was that for the cost I'd like to be able to do an inlay... at the moment they only offer hot-stamping. |
I posted this in another thread but they do offer inlays in addition to hot-stamping! Check out the chip on the right. This may be a new development.
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:34 pm GMT by TenPercenter
| ledavatar wrote: | | PinataUT wrote: | | They have 42 colors and can do a double-wide like pokerchips.com or a triple double. I thought the feeling was great... the problem I had was that for the cost I'd like to be able to do an inlay... at the moment they only offer hot-stamping. |
I posted this in another thread but they do offer inlays in addition to hot-stamping! Check out the chip on the right. This may be a new development. |
Wow, that is good news. As late as last month they told me that it was hot-stamp only... maybe they just wanted badly to sell me the coins inlays?
Ten
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:32 pm GMT by PinataUT
No, I don't see them pushing coins over the inlays. I think I was one of many people expressing interest in them getting some inlay chips out there.
These have a sweet feel and weigh in at 10? I didn't get a weight on them and I guess an inlay might bring them to 10.3 or so?
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:56 pm GMT by circlencircle
So just to be clear (probably already is to everyone else), Matsui clay's are NOT available in the states?
Posted Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:57 pm GMT by TenPercenter
| PinataUT wrote: | No, I don't see them pushing coins over the inlays. I think I was one of many people expressing interest in them getting some inlay chips out there.
These have a sweet feel and weigh in at 10? I didn't get a weight on them and I guess an inlay might bring them to 10.3 or so? |
I looked back, and you're right, they did mention it to me when I asked about custom clays. On several occasions though, he subtley steered me away from clay. He worked up Egyptian art for me on coins and gold coins.
| Quote: | | Matsui: We have a decal clay chips but the quality is not enough at the moment but Hotstamp is good. |
Ten
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