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Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:32 pm GMT by mindgame
...with a brilliant put-down, deftly delivered. I, humbled to tears, cringed before the withering might of their wit.
Challenged, you will recall, because their glowing review of the Tangiers chip was beyond generous, bodering as it did in cyber-sychophancy, they favored me with a reply that might never be confused with humble regard for truth and accuracy:
"You might quit being a shill for TexasHoldem-poker.com and try providing honest, accurate, useful information to your 3 website visitors.
Please do not think your opinion matters more than another's - That is just wacky with a capital W."
That was the extent of their missive. No "Dear Mr. McGuan, thank you for your reply....," no "Sincerly, Pete and Chantal." Nothing seemed to matter except delivery of a pithy insult. Somehow fact about the physical size of the chip they relegate to the realm of opinion. If fact and opinion are so readily confused, what chance has truth, I wonder?
Somehow I lost the copy of my counterblow, but if it is resurrected I'll print it here. I promise you, though, that our honor was defended with vigor and wit. The battle, I promise you, is not a contest of equals.
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Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:38 pm GMT by Nate PT
BOYCOTT!!!
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:29 pm GMT by Geno
How petty of a company to be like that. I'm stunned.
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:48 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
Wow....
John
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:45 pm GMT by circlencircle
Is this guy for real? It looks like he plagiarized some obscure passage in his favorite mellow dramatic novel and tried to apply it as best he could. Annoying…
eli
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:07 pm GMT by CaptLego
mindgame,
I'm afraid I've lost some context for your post. I found this thread
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t8367/poker-chip-review
where you posted some correspondence you sent to "them".
I read the free magazine subscription thread, but didn't see link to a review of the Tangiers chip...
I looked at the oldvegaschip.com website, but only found a description of the chip, not a review....
So I'm a bit confused --- you mentioned that you bought the tangiers chips from spinettis, but you've been corresponding w/ oldvegaschips? Are they the same people?
At any rate, I'd like to mention a couple of things:
1. I've done business in the past w/ oldvegaschips, and I have to say that they were outstanding. I got great customer service from them -- really above and beyond the call. Pete has also been very responsive and helpful in some email correspondence I've had with him.
2. You seem mostly upset about the thickness of the Tangiers chips. I don't personally have any of those chips (I think they're too heavy and to ugly). While being thinner than most chips may well be a fact, the importance of that fact is a matter of opinion. I don't see how fitting 22 chips into a row of a standard rack renders those racks from being useless for counting or organizing the chips. For example, you could:
a) know that a full rack has 22 per row
b) fill a row, then remove 2 chips, if you need 20
c) use chip spacers
I can see the inconvenience if you're mixing Tangiers chips with "normal" chips, where the stacksizes would be different. I don't mix chips, though, so this wouldn't be a problem for me personally.
Anyhow, I just wanted to say that:
1) I personally have been delighted with all interactions I've had w/ oldvegaschips, and
2) It would help if you kept threads intact by responding to the relevant threads, instead of starting a new thread with a continuing discussion.
Posted Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:29 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
| mindgame wrote: | ...
"You might quit being a shill for TexasHoldem-poker.com |
Whats a "shill"?
And, CaptLego: are you employed or in any way affiliated with said site?
cos you really do sound like it.
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:26 am GMT by CaptLego
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | mindgame wrote: | ...
"You might quit being a shill for TexasHoldem-poker.com |
Whats a "shill"?
And, CaptLego: are you employed or in any way affiliated with said site?
cos you really do sound like it. |
I absolutely am not affiliated with that site in any way whatsoever. My only connection with them has been as a customer. I was impressed with their customer service then, so I felt compelled to communicate that now. I have "no dog in this fight" regarding the Tangiers chips or the correspondence reproduced in this thread.
Some time ago, I purchased some chips and accessories from OldVegaschips. Some of the chips I received were defective. I sent them some email about the defective chips, and they immediately obtained and sent replacements. No hassle, no problem. (I still have the defective chips, too.) They also answered some questions I had about caring for chips.
Contrast this customer experience, for example, with an experience I recently had with an ebay purchase: I bought an item from a seller (who shall remain nameless). They shipped the wrong item. I contacted them via email, and got no response. I contacted them via ebay and was advised to return the item. I had to ship back the incorrect item (at my own expense). They waited until they received it before they shipped the correct item. (They finally reimbursed me for the shipping cost of returning the incorrect item.) This whole thing took several weeks and a lot of my time, just to straighten out something they screwed up.
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:02 am GMT by mindgame
Oldvegaschips.com sells chips. I have never purchased any from them, so I am no position to comment on their customer service. One can at least assume that they answer their mail, unlike Spinnettis. Even your seller who screwed up eventually fixed the problem. Spinnettis wouldn't even acknowlege that I had one.
I'm probably anal about counting and sorting chips. I really like a rack to be 100, not 110--and it's just me I suppose, but I got so upset once when I lent my son 1000 chips in 10 racks and he returned 999 that I just gave him the set on his next birthday. That probably IS wacky.
I DO mix chips. I frequently have every denomination in a game from a different casino. That, too, is just me. I bought the Tangiers because my 100, 200, and $500 chips were disappearing, and you can well imagine that was making me nuts. Every tournament or so someone would pocket one as a souvineer, probably to use as a cover chip in a casino game. Anyway, I didn't want to keep using high denom retired casino paulson's in bigger tournaments where friends were bringing friends--I figured that they weren't going to stop sprouting legs so I'd use a more "disposable" fantasy chip. It made a BIG difference to me that the stacks were odd sized. That made it very inconvenient and it seemed "mickey mouse."
All I was really doing was asking that oldvegas put some info on their chip review that gave information that I wish I'd had. I was a bit of a smartass about it. They responded in kind. The whole thing is just a tempest in a teapot.
Would I buy chips from them? Maybe. Why not? They do answer mail. From Spinetti's again? Never.
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:49 pm GMT by warewulf619
Very unprofessional of them to respond like that! I doubt I will give them any business.
I do hear you regarding size, I pre-count my chips and keep them in my case in stacks of $20 (my buy-in/re-buy). I still keep a rack handy so that when I hand the chips over, I place them in the rack to make sure they're correct, then hand them to the player and advise him to count them again. Never hurts to be careful. It would kill me to have the bank be over or under at the end of the night. I probably wouldn't consider a chip if it didn't fit in the rack correctly.
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:11 pm GMT by PocketRocket
I'm not entirely sure I understand, but is your quote what he actually sent you? And if so, where does the shill stuff come in? This sounds like some geek kid engaged with another in a pissing contest. Had I not known that Pete Rizzo was an adult male, I'd be inclined to think it was a response from some ill-mannered teenager.
On another note, I'm not sure it he is who you purchased the chips from, but I would expect any dealer who is selling a particular chip that you are criticizing to be defensive, and he does sell the Tangiers chip.
| mindgame wrote: | ...with a brilliant put-down, deftly delivered. I, humbled to tears, cringed before the withering might of their wit.
Challenged, you will recall, because their glowing review of the Tangiers chip was beyond generous, bodering as it did in cyber-sychophancy, they favored me with a reply that might never be confused with humble regard for truth and accuracy:
"You might quit being a shill for TexasHoldem-poker.com and try providing honest, accurate, useful information to your 3 website visitors.
Please do not think your opinion matters more than another's - That is just wacky with a capital W."
That was the extent of their missive. No "Dear Mr. McGuan, thank you for your reply....," no "Sincerly, Pete and Chantal." Nothing seemed to matter except delivery of a pithy insult. Somehow fact about the physical size of the chip they relegate to the realm of opinion. If fact and opinion are so readily confused, what chance has truth, I wonder?
Somehow I lost the copy of my counterblow, but if it is resurrected I'll print it here. I promise you, though, that our honor was defended with vigor and wit. The battle, I promise you, is not a contest of equals. |
Posted Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:51 pm GMT by mindgame
I should kill this stupid thread by shutting up, but the question of the "shill" remark keeps surfacing.
First, a shill. This is a slang gambling term for anyone who induces play at a casino. Sometimes prop players are called "shills" because they are only there to fill the games. The word, as it was applied to my great aunt--a shill at an speakeasy/casino outside Chicago during prohibition-- meant a woman, always VERY attractive, who would hang on and around the high rollers and make them feel welcome. It was never suggested that she performed any other, more intimate, services; but how does one ever learn the dark secrets of one's elders?
"Shilling" then, implies hype, inducement, and false praise used to encourage purchase of what may indeed be shoddy products or services. Pete did indeed write the silly message I posted. I assure you I replied with bombast so fatuous that he may not have deserved it. He used the term "shill" only because I accused him of "shilling" the Tangiers chips instead of giving an honest and accurate appraisal.
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