Posted Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:12 pm GMT by suitedaces84
howzit mentioned this in some other thread. I've been using for a couple weeks now and it's great. The idea is check-call on the flop from EP, and bet the turn reguardless of what it is. The best way to bluff in FL is not to just pound the bet/raise button and hope everyone else folds. The best bluffs are the most convincing ones. And there's nothing more convincing than the call-bet. Check-calling the flop will give your oppoent the impression that you are going to play an honest hand. That makes your bet on the turn much more believable, than it would if you just came out firing.
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Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:13 pm GMT by sergoyaa
Why would you call the flop in early position to a late position raiser, and then NOT check raise the turn if you truely have a big hand?
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:50 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| sergoyaa wrote: | | Why would you call the flop in early position to a late position raiser, and then NOT check raise the turn if you truely have a big hand? |
Because they'll never fold if they have anything. If you check-raise the turn they're much more likely to call, because now they have more money invested in the pot. Also if you check raise the turn you're investing more money then you would be with a bet. The idea is not to make them think they're up against a monster, it's just to make them think they're beat.
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:31 pm GMT by Dave B
I agree. Just betting out is a great way to bluff. A smart player tries to put you on a hand. If they have top pair or 2nd pair and you have just hung around but not raised, then all of a sudden bet, they assume something happened to make your hand. Some examples where this works well:
1) 4 to a flush
2) 3-4 to a str8, but not if a gutshot hits-more like A89, turn 7
3) 2nd or 3rd pair pairs the board
4) all rags- and AK AQ AJ preflop raiser shouldnt call, some will, find out who will and who wont
Another great reason for doing this is if you are going to call anyway. Say you have a 2nd or 3rd pair, or a good draw heads up and plan on calling their bet anyway. By betting out, you really make them step back and decide if they want to call 2 big bets or let the hand go.
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:24 am GMT by sergoyaa
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | sergoyaa wrote: | | Why would you call the flop in early position to a late position raiser, and then NOT check raise the turn if you truely have a big hand? |
Because they'll never fold if they have anything. If you check-raise the turn they're much more likely to call, because now they have more money invested in the pot. Also if you check raise the turn you're investing more money then you would be with a bet. The idea is not to make them think they're up against a monster, it's just to make them think they're beat. |
You've missed my point completely. If you truely have a whale of a hand - say you flop a set. You check and call in an early position. On the turn, you wouldn't bet out into your opponent, you would check raise. This is why you smooth called the flop. If you were planning on simply betting into your opponent on the turn, then you would have raised it on the flop. The only time the bluff you speak of works is when the turn produces a scare card and your opponent has put you on that particular draw.
Example, you check call the flop when 2 diamonds are on board. The turn produces a 3rd diamond - now you bet out, opponent puts you on a flush and folds.
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:25 am GMT by howzit
Just to clear things up, I do this when I have a decent hand AND i think my opponent is weaker than me. But, I need to be pretty sure of what the opp. is holding and if he/she is willing to lay it down.
Also, do not do this move against some aggro LAG. The turn lead bet will be followed by a very, very, very shitty decision when the LAG raises the bet.
| Quote: | | Another great reason for doing this is if you are going to call anyway. |
This is even more important in NL.
(1) You control the betting. . . playing out of position in NL w/nothing but a naked top pair is no fun.
(2) You get max value if you do have the best hand. Let's say you have top pair on a board of q  8  7  and the guy behind you is holding pocket tens. You'll probably get paid off on all streets.
(3) No free cards and you confuse the hell out of players.
FWIW, I will rarely do this w/a draw unless I plan to bluff the river against a weak/tight player. You're betting small now to bluff big later (A variation of a delayed bluff but out of position)
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