Posted Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:38 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Well, I just got a couple samples of art from pokerchips.com. These are not acutal proofs, just some starts of ideas. My initial thought process for this order is here.
Please share your thoughts. Maybe an ancient greek ship would make a good image too?
I still think I like the idea of the Athena owl, but not how it's been applied so far. For denominations, I was maybe thinking about writing them out to scroll the text across the top and bottom, but written out in Greek instead of English. The numbers would still go on the chip as well.
Here's a decent boat image I just found...
Or how about a helmet?
 
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Posted Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:13 pm GMT by ChkDeezNuts
Ancient Greek chips?
You are not going to put pictures of naked boys wrestling are you? I don't think Chipco would go for that.
Posted Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:06 pm GMT by PocketRocket
That's kind of a refreshing and classic approach for chips. Do note that they're talking about a 3/4" printable araa though. I lioke the idea of a ship, it sounds like a classic design from the 30's and 40's
Posted Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:55 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Here's a couple crude mock ups of a helmet and a couple ships. Still missing denominations (in red?) and greek lettering scrolled across the top and bottom. Are these images better than the owl in the other thread and/or better than the idea of mythological creatures? I agree I think they're more simple and classic, and less "busy".
Posted Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:24 pm GMT by circlencircle
The black chip with the orange spots and drawing of the ship is awesome. I would pay for those chips. ASM chips grow on me more and more every time I see them. I think the quality is outstanding. However, knowing how brittle they are always makes me pause when I consider buying some though.
Posted Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:41 pm GMT by Prettey Toney
Are you trying to incorporate solely a Greek theme
Or is Greek Mythology something to consider?
I would definately have the Trojan Horse on a chip regardless.
If you go with mythology, you can find some cool stuff.
The minotaur (from the labyrinth), geez it's been so long, etc. etc.
I like the Spartan helmet's. Maybe you concentrate on just the spartans,
they were a war people, as are poker players!
Posted Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:45 pm GMT by ChkDeezNuts
All right...lets get serious.....
If you are going greek......
You need to do them in military rank....
$1 the phalynx (sic)
$5 Swordsmen
$25 The Chariots
$100 The Cavalry
$500 Achilles
Posted Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:13 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
The idea of military ranks is cool. I hadn't thought of that. Mythology isn't out either. Basically, my thought was that I'm half Greek, so why not do a theme with that in mind. Now maybe it's giving me too many different options. 
I'm getting 8 different chips to cover both my cash games and tournaments. The first decent image I found was that of an Athena owl, which they actually used on coins. I haven't found great images for all the mythological creatures, but was thinking along these lines for that direction: Owl, Pegaus, Centaur, Medusa, Cerberus, Hydra, Harpy/Siren, Griffin/Chimera.
Here are my current color thoughts:
No denom = Day Glow Yellow/Imperial Blue
$1 = Blue/White
$5 = Red/Black (or Mandarin Red/Day Glow Yellow)
$25 = Green/Day Glow Pink
$100 = Black/Day Glow Green
$500 = Purple/Arc Yellow
$1000 = Orange/Blue (or Orange/Lavender)
$5000 = Chocolate/Day Glow Peach
Here's my very very crude mockup with the owl. Very far from a finished idea, but another option.
Posted Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:17 pm GMT by Nate PT
The military rank idea sounds pretty cool.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:26 am GMT by SpaceMonkey
I can't find a good graphic of Achilles unfortunately. Here's some more revisions. I don't really like the Cerberus graphic.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:22 am GMT by Lynbark
Well, Not Greek, but very similar to what has been suggested....
Roman Empire...
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:26 am GMT by Lynbark
Maybe a better cerberus?
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Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:30 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Those are pretty cool Lynbark. I'll play around with that Cerberus. I can't find a good Trojan Horse either. 
Here's another update with all 8 chips and approximate colors. Do you guys prefer this new ship or the old one? Too many creatures?
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:59 pm GMT by Lynbark
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:32 am GMT by SpaceMonkey
Well, I just got my proof from pokerchips.com based on my original ideas. I like how the pillars/ruins came out. But I am still thinking I should ask for new proofs based on what I came up with this past weekend (the pics in this thread).
Here's what they came up with. Thoughts?
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:39 am GMT by circlencircle
I definitely would vote for A and more so for B... Personally I don’t like C at all.
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:56 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Okay, I didn't really like what pokerchips.com came up with, but it was my own fault for being really vauge in the beginning. I just sent them the artwork I've been using this weekend.
So here's my final revision I post before I get the proofs back from the graphic designer. Promise.
I went back with the original ship, and found a different Chimera graphic that suits the other images a little better. I also spruced up the non-denom owl with a greek key circle. That chip seemed too lacking vs. the others.
I didn't end up using a trojan horse. The images posted were good, but I felt I needed one in profile to match the rest of the set. And now the cash chips have "real" images (including the owl), and the tournament chips are all mythological. I suppose if my cash games ever get big enough for 10-20, I could get a $20 chip and revisit the trojan horse idea. Doubtful, but here's hoping. 
Hopefully I'll get the final proofs within a week, and then the long long wait begins...
Posted Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:06 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Well, here's what they came up with. Not that close to my design, and I even talked to the graphic designer about everything!
Looking at these proofs though makes me think the ship should also be in silhouette form, to match the rest of the images. Any thoughts?
I am also considering pushing for the 1" inlay rather than the 7/8". I was told they don't do this anymore when I placed my order, but I just found out they did it for another recent order. Any opinions on the different inlay sizes?
Here's the proof. I think the artist is so far behind, she just put this together quickly to try and get it approved and off her desk. I think the arched greek text really makes the chip better, and will push for all the changes necessary to get them close to what I came up with (I have 8 changes so far).
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:50 pm GMT by Prettey Toney
what mold?
I like the roman
It's a stronger chip to boot.
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:08 am GMT by SpaceMonkey
I'm going with the A mold. Or Athena mold in this case.
I like the horsehead mold a lot, but it just doesn't match this theme. Roman mold may match the theme a liitle better, but it's my least favorite of the three.
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:53 am GMT by SpaceMonkey
I'm sure you're all tired of it, but here's (hopefully) my final revision. All the text, the graphic and the denomination was too much to fit on the chip, so the denomination is being put on one side only. Many thanks to TabascoJRC for his ASM photoshop template! I did change most of the colors to the pantone values I found somewhere on twoplustwo.
Please let me know which font you prefer for the denominations:
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:20 pm GMT by cowtown
If you run with the denoms, I really like the greek lettering, very nifty. The images are cool too. I'd assume you'd be doing one side with the non denom, and one side with? Otherwise my personal preference would be to do no denominations, but that's just me.
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:23 pm GMT by ram1962
Looking good Spacemonkey! My preference for the denomination side is the chip in the middle. The font for the denomination on the right looks harder to read.
Posted Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:53 am GMT by puzzlemonkey
People clearly like the Greek-themed font (I do, too), but I think the fives and the twos on the one you used look kinda sloppy and hard to read. Have you tried a Lithos-type font? This one just came to mind, but I'm sure that there are a lot of Greek-looking fonts that might be a bit more elegant:
Please forgive my taking liberties with your pictures :D
Posted Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:25 pm GMT by ram1962
Nice find Puzzlemonkey. I like that font too. It's easier to read and keeps with the Greek theme of the chip.
Posted Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:40 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Good point puzzlemonkey. Take all the liberties you want, I need all the help I can get. :D
This font is easier to read, and has better 2's and 5's. But it's still "Greek". Let me know if you like it better. Don't mind the asterisks around my initials, nor the inconsistant centering jobs.
Text is better too, but not to a point where I'm comfortable using it. I still have to clean up some of the graphics and figure out what to do about Zeus.
Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:20 pm GMT by SpaceMonkey
Okay, here's a near final proof. This is the second proof I received today, and it still isn't right. Minor things, but still. Then the graphic designer was amazed at my attention to detail and asked me what I do for a living!?! Shouldn't a graphic designer have some attention to detail themselves?
Anyways, on to the proofs. The Pi is going to be changed from lower case to uppercase, and the "I T" on the $5000 chip will also be replaced with Pi. And the text layer on the $1000 chip will be raised above the chimera graphic so the full text is shown (currently the L and R are slightly covered).
Getting diamonds around my initials has been a stuggle all day, and I'm not sure I have the energy to fight for it at this point. But I am still awaiting a final final proof. Any opinions either way?
One last question; should the minotaur have more white prominant? I think she used an older graphic, on the newer one I sent, the white was more clear to match the other graphics.
As always, thanks for looking and for the feedback. 
Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:51 pm GMT by Deakon
I am not sure if it was already mentioned, but it could be my eyes after this crazy week, it looks like the values for the 500, 1000, and 5000 aren't centered or something. They are much further left of the circular text you have. The graphic on the 1000 chip also looks off a bit. Sorry it someone has already mentioned this.
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