Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:15 pm GMT by circlencircle
The host of one of the weekly games I attend has a set of the typical plastic, slug chips. Yesterday I was telling them about the Paulson’s I have on order and tried to explain why the cost so much. "They are true 'clay' chips, pretty much exactly what you find in most casinos" I said.
Not surprisingly she said "Well, -ours- are clay chips. When we bought them it said they are real casino chips". I tried to break it to her gently and explained they're not clay, they are plastic and have a slug in them but she wouldn’t hear it and insists they are real casino clay chips even though she -does- agree that they have a slug in them. I didn’t want to cause trouble but it bothers me that she is so disillusioned about the whole thing and thinks the Paulson’s are a rip off. Meanwhile I am thinking she is the one who got ripped off by paying $175 for these crappy plastic chips in a so called "aluminum" case. The best/worst part is I brought a few samples of clay chips from various sellers (buypokerchips, pc.com, trk, bluechip james bond) and she says hers are better because they are heavier. The chips she has are slick as crap and won’t stack for sh!t...
I really just want to prove it to her and say "Your chips are crap and they suck!" or should I just let it go?
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Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:35 pm GMT by tomb1
It's all a matter of taste, and who's to say my taste is better (or worse) than anyone else's. There is no objective standard for poker chips.
Value is in the eye of the beholder (like sex appeal), and quality means you get all the value you expected for the amount of money you spend.
So if someone buys a Saturn is that as good a car as a Mercedes? Probably yes, to them.
Same with gaming stuff -- some of us think that clay, graphics, stackability, and uniqueness are important in a chip. Some of us buy Kem cards cause that's what they use in casinos, and they last longer.
But some people want a heavier chip that's real inexpensive and lasts forever, so the 11.5g dice chips are just the thing for them. That doesn't make her chips "crap," just that you (and many of us) think they are.
I doubt you'll ever "talk her out" of her opinion (whoa... thats a deep statement for anybody who's ever been married!!!), so don't try. Maybe give her some good info like pokerchipreviews.com and let her learn it herself.
But I wouldn't make fun of her chips, or her spending $175 on them, any more than you want her to make fun of your chips for $500+ (or whatever).
Jeez, I'm gettin philosophical today... must be the head cold....
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:39 pm GMT by qheuie
imho, let it go. not everyone is a chip snob like we are 
nothing good can come out of pissing off a host of a poker night.
you actually might be offending her because you have already inferred that her chips are crap and those ar HER chips the SHE spent money on.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:42 pm GMT by circlencircle
| tomb1 wrote: |
I doubt you'll ever "talk her out" of her opinion (whoa... thats a deep statement for anybody who's ever been married!!!), so don't try. Maybe give her some good info like pokerchipreviews.com and let her learn it herself.
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Actually that’s exactly how I left it. She said something about how she likes her chips and I just said, "That’s fine, but if you really are interested in the subject check out pokerchipreviews.com some time" and that was the end of it. It still annoys me though... Just because she thinks I'm wrong and don’t know what I'm talking about.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:45 pm GMT by tomb1
| circlencircle wrote: | | tomb1 wrote: |
I doubt you'll ever "talk her out" of her opinion (whoa... thats a deep statement for anybody who's ever been married!!!), so don't try. Maybe give her some good info like pokerchipreviews.com and let her learn it herself.
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Actually that’s exactly how I left it. She said something about how she likes her chips and I just said, "That’s fine, but if you really are interested in the subject check out pokerchipreviews.com some time" and that was the end of it. It still annoys me though... Just because she thinks I'm wrong and don’t know what I'm talking about. |
Well.... get ready for real life with women. Can't live with 'em, can't change their mind, and not allowed to kill 'em. (Just kidding, dear wifey!) We like to keep them around for a few reasons, though.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:49 pm GMT by circlencircle
| tomb1 wrote: |
Well.... get ready for real life with women. Can't live with 'em, can't change their mind, and not allowed to kill 'em. (Just kidding, dear wifey!) We like to keep them around for a few reasons, though. |
Actually, I have been married for about 6 years and I’m closing in on 30. I don’t really have the kind of relationship with my wife that you’re talking about but almost everyone else I know does, so you’re right... 
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:08 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
I would let it go, it's nigh on impossible to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced.
The more you point out they are weak the more she will defend them.
Just rest in the knowledge that she knows, deep down inside 
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:24 pm GMT by stevo
I agree with all that you should just let it go. But Tomb, the whole "a Saturn is as good as a Mercedes" thing is wrong and stupid. Think about it. With some things, taste is indeed subjective. With others, forget about it. No one, no one would think that a Saturn is as good as a Mercedes. That's stupid. Anyone who thinks Halle Berry is ugly and has a bad body is a Moron. Although generally - generally - beauty is subjective, Halle Berry is objectively beautiful. Objectively, she has great tiats. Objectively, those hard plastic dice chips suck. There is no other way to explain it. If someone likes them, it doesn't make the chips good, it makes the person ignorant.
There... I feel much better.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:33 pm GMT by Double Eagle
Most players just want to play poker and don't really care what kind of chips are in play. Not everone takes the same interest in quality chips that many of us do that lurk in this forum.
Buy and play with quality chips because you enjoy using the best. Other people will just have to discover the difference for themselves. You are not going to "educate" them.
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:55 pm GMT by warewulf619
One of my regular games uses dice chips. 90% of the people there don't understand why I spent $820 on 1000 chipcos. When I say that's a good deal, they think i'm even more nuts! The only thing they seem to be able to comprehend is that they stack better. I have even offered to let this game use my chips -- the colors would be slightly different so it's not even a consideration.
Even when I have offered to let people use my chips that dont have enough chips for their game -- they have 300 chips for 10 people. They still wont let me go to my car to get chips. They bought theirs, don't want to use someone else's. Nothing is wrong with theirs even though they are unstable in stacks of 10...
"It said REAL CLAY right in the auction title!" 
Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:49 pm GMT by Dick Danger
puh leeze
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:53 am GMT by Prettey Toney
In a previous Eli post:
| Quote: | | I am in the military and we use these things to haul $2500 sniper weapons, night vision, etc... They are water proof, break proof and even decompress if the barometric pressure changes |
Don't take no crap from her. Show her your "real" chip case with the cold steel.
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:09 am GMT by circlencircle
| Prettey Toney wrote: | In a previous Eli post:
| Quote: | | I am in the military and we use these things to haul $2500 sniper weapons, night vision, etc... They are water proof, break proof and even decompress if the barometric pressure changes |
Don't take no crap from her. Show her your "real" chip case with the cold steel. |
That’s pretty funny.. Yeah, actually I wanted to take her out, up close and personal, that same night when she won heads up using my 3rd 9 for her gut shot straight on the river...I was all in btw... 
I never should have started this stupid thread. However, I realize now I should have walked out on this game when she told me the blinds are to the right of the button instead of trying to educate her on that as well.
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:17 am GMT by warewulf619
| circlencircle wrote: |
However, I realize now I should have walked out on this game when she told me the blinds are to the right of the button instead of trying to educate her on that as well.
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Now that's just plain stupid! 
Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:18 am GMT by SpaceMonkey
| circlencircle wrote: | | I never should have started this stupid thread. However, I realize now I should have walked out on this game when she told me the blinds are to the right of the button instead of trying to educate her on that as well. |
Yikes. I'm guessing the button is the big blind heads up in this game too?
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:03 pm GMT by Haps
You are wrong and it's funny that you can't see that.
If she has some bad dice chips then you might have a partial point. But a quality set of 11.5gm dice chips is perfectly fine. They do what they are intended to do.
They may not be as nice looking as other chips. They may not sound the same as some other chips. They may not feel the same as some other chips. They may not be what is used in casinos. However, all those things are in the eye of the beholder. The dice chips work just fine at doing what they are supposed to do.
If all the casino's out there used composite chips with metal inserts you can bet that there wouldn't be so many clay chip snobs out here.
Your argument is like arguing that a blue pen is better then a red pen. They both write. How can on be better then another.
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:19 pm GMT by warewulf619
| Haps wrote: | You are wrong and it's funny that you can't see that.
If she has some bad dice chips then you might have a partial point. But a quality set of 11.5gm dice chips is perfectly fine. They do what they are intended to do.
They may not be as nice looking as other chips. They may not sound the same as some other chips. They may not feel the same as some other chips. They may not be what is used in casinos. However, all those things are in the eye of the beholder. The dice chips work just fine at doing what they are supposed to do.
If all the casino's out there used composite chips with metal inserts you can bet that there wouldn't be so many clay chip snobs out here.
Your argument is like arguing that a blue pen is better then a red pen. They both write. How can on be better then another. |
I have no problem with most cheap chips. One of my regular games uses dice chips and it would never stop me from playing. However, almost ANY chips are better than dice chips. They do what they're intended to do, but they are not functional at all. They fall over if the wind blows or the earth rotates, whichever happens first. I don't think there are many chips out that are worse.
I still have a set of 5 gram diamond chips. Those are quality cheap chips! They are stable when stacked and their only fault is they're a bit light.
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:49 pm GMT by cowtown
I like my 11.5g composite chips. I'd love to have some genuine clay chips but I have to be realistic about what I want to spend on my friends. I mean Poker has been a pricey hobby (outside of my entries and what not) to stock up in gear for. I like spending money on decent stuff for my friends to use when I host games and what not, but unless people started giving me money for better stuff the $200 I've spent on my 1300 chips and labels and Copag's is more than adequate. The only thing I'm probably going to spend more money on for my home games is building a nice folding table, though my friends don't need it, and technically neither do I, I just like building things once in a while and it seems like a practical match.
So I can say for your Paulsons. Great for you, I'm glad you can afford them and you like them. Me I'd rather spend that money on food or small fun prizes for my guests than on chips. That's just me though.
And yeah that blind thing, that's just messed up, you should have corrected that mess. 
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:59 pm GMT by circlencircle
| Haps wrote: | You are wrong and it's funny that you can't see that.
If she has some bad dice chips then you might have a partial point. But a quality set of 11.5gm dice chips is perfectly fine. They do what they are intended to do.
They may not be as nice looking as other chips. They may not sound the same as some other chips. They may not feel the same as some other chips. They may not be what is used in casinos. However, all those things are in the eye of the beholder. The dice chips work just fine at doing what they are supposed to do.
If all the casino's out there used composite chips with metal inserts you can bet that there wouldn't be so many clay chip snobs out here.
Your argument is like arguing that a blue pen is better then a red pen. They both write. How can on be better then another. |
I don’t completely agree with you. However, this was a really ridiculous thread from the very beginning; I think I mentioned that before. I don’t know what I was thinking to be honest. I still think chips like that are garbage as chips go, but you’re absolutely right that they work fine and there is nothing wrong with them come game time. Chips aren’t going to change the outcome of the game. Apparently I've given an exaggerated impression between this thread and another when I criticized composite/plastic chips.
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:12 pm GMT by circlencircle
| cowtown wrote: | I like my 11.5g composite chips. I'd love to have some genuine clay chips but I have to be realistic about what I want to spend on my friends. I mean Poker has been a pricey hobby (outside of my entries and what not) to stock up in gear for. I like spending money on decent stuff for my friends to use when I host games and what not, but unless people started giving me money for better stuff the $200 I've spent on my 1300 chips and labels and Copag's is more than adequate. The only thing I'm probably going to spend more money on for my home games is building a nice folding table, though my friends don't need it, and technically neither do I, I just like building things once in a while and it seems like a practical match.
So I can say for your Paulsons. Great for you, I'm glad you can afford them and you like them. Me I'd rather spend that money on food or small fun prizes for my guests than on chips. That's just me though.
And yeah that blind thing, that's just messed up, you should have corrected that mess. |
Well, not that anyone particularly cares but because it’s come up again, I will just say this. I really understand that some people either can’t afford or just chose not to pay so much for chips. As I've mentioned before I am in the military and have a family so this was a HUGE investment for me that I would normally never be able to afford. The only reason I was able to get them was because I sold something on ebay that turned out to be pretty valuable. I'm just the type of person that always wants the best and I figured if I was going to spend money on chips I might as well pay a little more for clays and have them forever. Then at some point I decided 300 wouldn’t be enough for the games I play so I bought 500.
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:24 pm GMT by yeltzen
| circlencircle wrote: | | I really just want to prove it to her and say "Your chips are crap and they suck!" or should I just let it go? |
Do you really not have ANYTHING better to do with your time?
Blah blah blah you're so awesome blah blah blah your have Paulsons blah blah blah I'll bet the can't wait for you to come back!!
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:31 pm GMT by Haps
| circlencircle wrote: | | I still think chips like that are garbage as chips go. |
Why? And don't give me the they won't stack stuff because there are lots of quality composite/slug chips out there.(and there are lots of shitty dice sets made with lots of irregularities etc).
But why is a composite/slug chip garbage?
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Firstly, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I would never be one to criticize someone who is being honest and expressing what they think. I think that most are correct in saying that you would be unable to change the young lady's mind and that it's really not that big of an issue about which to start a debate. It's like debating that Budweiser is a better beer than Guinness. Of course, that's outrageous to me, but to some that is their preference.
As for chip quality, I agree with you. I have the dice chips (they were a birthday present my hubby got from his best friend last year). I, personally, would've bought better chips, but they were free so I think we got a pretty good deal on them. I am planning on investing in better chips in the future but what I have serves the need for the time.
It is obvious that the host of the game was no Annie Duke. The blinds to the right thing I had to reread 3 times just to make sure that that was actually what you wrote. That's ludicrous. I know for a fact that I could've never played at that game. I'm a rules fanatic. I can't play well with players who bet/fold out of turn and I certainly couldn't abide a game where the blinds are backward (unless they deal and play counterclockwise, then I think it makes at least a little sense). I'd have enforced the correct rules or kindly bowed out of the game.
My first suggestion, if you see this person or play at her game again, is that you purchase a general rule book for hold'em and give it to her as, say... "a gift for being such a gracious hostess" or something of that ilk. I would also suggest that you take along a few of your chips to show her an example of a better quality chip. You may not change her mind (although the quality difference is overwhelming), but she may be a little more reluctant to contest that her chips are "genuine clay" and not composite chips and she may be more understanding of your viewpoint.
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:51 pm GMT by circlencircle
| Haps wrote: | | circlencircle wrote: | | I still think chips like that are garbage as chips go. |
Why? And don't give me the they won't stack stuff because there are lots of quality composite/slug chips out there.(and there are lots of shitty dice sets made with lots of irregularities etc).
But why is a composite/slug chip garbage? |
I don’t think –all- composite chips are garbage. I have some composite chips and I think they are great. There are a few others I would like to have as well actually. The ones I am referring to primarily are the slick, over weighted metallic sounding types that are sold under the pretence that they are "real clay" or "casino quality chips". The more I think about it, I have more of an issue with the marketing from sellers and the misconceptions they've created. And as far as the women I was talking about in the original post, she was really defensive and snotty about it before I even suggested there was anything wrong with her chips.
Posted Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:01 pm GMT by circlencircle
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | It's like debating that Budweiser is a better beer than Guinness. Of course, that's outrageous to me, but to some that is their preference. |
Funny you should mention beer; when I bought these new Paulson’s it had been a toss up between buying a nitrogen kegorator for my homebrew stouts or the chips for the past month. Still don’t know if I made the right decision....
Posted Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:15 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Still don’t know if I made the right decision |
That is a questionable decision. However, it's been 2 years since we've brewed ourselves because we play poker too much to have time to brew. Therefore, I really can't criticize your decision too much. I can definitely appreciate the dilemma though.
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