Player notes, bad or good? |
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Posted Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:23 pm GMT by krakajak
I've recently started taking notes on my opponents' play, and must say that so far nothing good has come of it. For instance, one day I'm at a table with a player I have notes on, I click the note and it says "fish." (probably from when I was multi-tabling, because I take really simple notes then). "Good to have him here," I thought to myself, but then I noticed that thois knowledge completely threw me off of my game. I would play hands I would normally fold just because he was in the pot, and I would bet second pair hard because I thought he would call with less. I ended up blowing half of my stack before I got a grip on myself.
Another time I wrote that a player will bluff to the river. When I read that note, I could vaguely recall him betting every street with nothing, and etting called down with a player who had top pair/weak kicker. I ran into him again in a SNG. We were down to 3 players. There were several times I thought he had been bluffing, but no one called him. He limped in, and I had K3 in the big blind. The flop was J,x,3. I bet and he raised me. Ordinarily, folding would be a no-brainer. But since I had witten that he liked to bluff, I figured he was probably bluffing here so I played back at him. He hook the pot.
Do you ever find yourself putting too much stock in your notes, and it having a detrimental effect on your game?
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Posted Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:14 pm GMT by gol4pro
I've got an entire language I made.
SEF = Sees every flop
LCPF, VLCPF, VVLCPF = Loose caller preflop, Very, Very, very
DNF = Does not fold
DN bluff = Do not bluff
Dn bluff = Does not bluff
CSE = Calling Station extraordinaire
CS = Calling station
Psv = Passive
Vpsv = Very passive
#,##,###,####,##### = Number of moron marks
$,$$,$$$,$$$$,$$$$$ = Number of "willingness to fish for cards" marks
*,**,***,****,***** = Number of suspect marks-- a player that "has a few too many good hands"
VA = Very aggressive
VAM = Confirmed very aggressive moron
Bl = Bluffs
CR = Check raise
- Note: On check raise, if there's an abbreviation immediately following it, then add the abbreviation to the CR.
-- CRTP = Check raises top pair
-- MP = Middle pair
-- BP = Bottom pair
-- OP = Overpair
-- UP = Underpair
-- 2pr = 2 pair
-- Se = Set
---- Then... Time wise, F = Flop, T = Turn, R = riv
---- But add a space between time wise and the note: so CRTP R, = check raise top pair river
---- This same system applies to "DNF"-- DNFTP = does not fold top pair
SP = slowplays
CRR = Check raise river (I probably didn't make him show, and he probably has at least 2 suspects
LPtSoHH = Literally plays the strength of his hand
BBR = BH, or BRR = BH, is Big bet river or big raise river = Big hand
TP = GGtM --Top pair equals god's gift to man
It makes taking notes a breeze. Instead of typing out "this guy is an aggressive moron who folds under no circumstances, will fish for any draw, and like to bluff river" I just type
"VAM, BlR, DNF, CS, $$$$$"
Posted Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:57 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I'm against note taking in general. Unless someone plays TERRIBLE poker, you don't have enough info. to make a correct assumption about how their play. Before I bought pokeredge (which is great) I had notes on many players. It's funny to see how inaccurate many of those notes were after comparing them with factual info on the player, not just the 20 hands I saw him play.
Posted Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:09 am GMT by age_of_sages
Could you expand on what this pokeredge is for me?
Posted Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:07 am GMT by suitedaces84
pokeredge is a program like pokertracker. I like it because it has a feature that allows you do view the overall quality of all players in a room at a glance. It also keeps detailed stats on everyone. Now I sit down at tables until I find one with enough stations before I post any blinds. It also keeps detailed stats on you. I'm not sure how it compares to pokertracker, but I won't play without it. If you don't have a program of this nature and play regularly, I would strongly recommend getting one. Pokeredge is $10 or $20 a month based on the stakes you play (if you play 3/6 or less it's $10).
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:16 am GMT by JohnnyCache
How does it work? It tracks all the players on a site?
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:30 pm GMT by xhi
I take a note on every player I play with except mtts. Mostly it is just the date and time we played. I find that I SELDOME play with the same person twice. I think in 2 years the most is one I played with 4 times all in different months.
Got to be a waste of time and a distraction.
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:26 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| JohnnyCache wrote: | | How does it work? It tracks all the players on a site? |
I'm not sure EXACTLY how it works. It does not track every player on a site. It only has info. on players who have played in a room with someone who had pokeredge. The average full table has 1-4 players that are untracked. Once you sit down at a table with them it starts tracking them (I'm pretty sure they can only be tracked if someone with pokeredge is at a their table). Also I'm pretty sure it only works on party.
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