Posted Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:11 pm GMT by golfcoach
Everything I've read says that you should always make a pre-flop raise with strong cards so people can't "limp" in with weak cards and make cheap hands. The problem I'm having is that if I don't hit (all rags on flop) and check after the flop. someone will almost always make a substantial bet after my check. Now I'm sure they wouldn't have called my raise with rags themselves so they're obviously trying to buy the pot.
My question is, what should I be doing or do when this happens.
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Posted Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:22 pm GMT by Ensano
if you raised preflop... bet... bet a sizeable amount at the pot whether or not you hit it.. you'll often just pick up the pot right there.. or.. depending on the people you play with... you'll know where they stand.. and then you can play the rest of the hand accordingly..
Posted Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:58 pm GMT by golfcoach
And if they just call your bet and another rag comes up, should you bet the same amount, check, or bet more?
Posted Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:32 pm GMT by suitedaces84
You're not obligated to win a hand (or make it to the showdown) everytime you raise preflop. If I raise preflop with QQ and the flop is Axx or Kxx, I won't hesitate to fold. I'll normally bet the flop or check raise the flop, if that they're still around I go into check-fold mode.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:12 pm GMT by tony513
Just because you raise pre-flop does not mean someone else won't hit the flop better than you. You have to watch how the other players are betting. If I raise pre flop with say A K and the flop comes rags I would recomend placing a good size bet representing an over pair. Usually you will win the pot there. If the other player then re raises I usually would put him on an over pairdepending on the player. Then I can fold and wait for another hand to recover. Folding can often be your friend. You can't be taken out of a game by folding.
Posted Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:45 am GMT by Muck
| golfcoach wrote: | | The problem I'm having is that if I don't hit (all rags on flop) and check after the flop. someone will almost always make a substantial bet after my check. |
I think position is also a factor here mate.
If you’re putting that raise in from a late position you’ll be the one exploiting those weak checks on the flop. You’ve already shown strength so pushing players out with a bet shouldn’t be a problem.
If you raised from an early position though you need much stronger cards. Since a check on the flop just invites someone to steal and an opening bet could be raised.
Posted Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:14 pm GMT by TheSalche
| golfcoach wrote: | | And if they just call your bet and another rag comes up, should you bet the same amount, check, or bet more? |
If it looks like they may be drawing to a straight or a flush draw, and it looks like they missed it on the turn, I'd say bet more and make them pay for their draws ...
It helps to know if they're weak or strong players too here.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:45 pm GMT by airmcnair8888
NL Texas Holdem
The people i play with will call big bets with flush or straight draws ... even if they need runner runner..or even middle or bottom pair..
Sometimes even with just two overcards
So alot of the times betting on the flop no matter what results in a call prob 75% of the time..
yea unexperienced opponents
Any Advice
Posted Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:48 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | The people i play with will call big bets with flush or straight draws ... even if they need runner runner..or even middle or bottom pair.. |
I'm going to Nashville! When's your next game? Man, I could get paid playing with those types of players! 
When playing against a loose table, it's better to tighten up a bit.
Posted Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:23 pm GMT by Skribbles
| airmcnair8888 wrote: | NL Texas Holdem
The people i play with will call big bets with flush or straight draws ... even if they need runner runner..or even middle or bottom pair..
Sometimes even with just two overcards
So alot of the times betting on the flop no matter what results in a call prob 75% of the time..
yea unexperienced opponents
Any Advice |
Make them pay for every card. You'll win in the long run.
Posted Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:35 pm GMT by Ensano
quote="golfcoach"And if they just call your bet and another rag comes up should you bet the same amount check or bet more?/quote
if you feel confident about your hand you bet again.. because their's more money in the pot now you'll have to bet more to take away odds.. about 2/3 of the pot...
quote="airmcnair8888"The people i play with will call big bets with flush or straight draws ... even if they need runner runner..or even middle or bottom pair..
Sometimes even with just two overcards
So alot of the times betting on the flop no matter what results in a call prob 75% of the time../quote
if this is the case betting again should get them out of the hand.. even a beginner can see that when they need runner runner and they missed the turn they're drawing dead...
Posted Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:22 pm GMT by 1988 TR
My main NL play is at 5/10, $1k buy in.
If I get a big hand like KK or AA I will raise to about 80 pre flop. With the AA or KK, unless 3 cards of the same suit flop, or a scary pair hit the board - Like Q's or J's, I am making a very substantial bet on the flop
If I have A big Ace like AK, AQ, AJ, I might raise to $40 or so and I will come out firing - Gotta ask the opponnent if they hit or not. If they make a huge raise, I let it go. If they just call, they either started weak, on a draw, or have an absolute monster (Like flopped a set). This is where it become Poker & you need to try & figure their hand out.
I will almost never bet strong preflop & then check. That is just too weak of a play. Even if I flop a monster, I will come out betting - Hopefully not enough to scare away the customers though.
Posted Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:28 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | I will almost never bet strong preflop & then check. That is just too weak of a play. Even if I flop a monster, I will come out betting |
I agree to some extent, but it's all dependent upon position. I like to check-raise from early position if I have a monster just so I can get some chips in the pot before everyone folds. If it checks around to me in late position, you better believe I'm firing at the pot.
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