Paulson James Bond review is up. |
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Posted Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:09 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
Great chips.
http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/compression.html#PaulsonJB
On a different note...also starting a 'Plastic Chip' section due to all the emails I get. Look for that soon.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
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Posted Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:38 pm GMT by MeridianFC
Just curious if you have any older Paulson and if so how you'd compare them. I have 1K old school TH&C but they're only hot stamped and am thinking about getting a set of these for the hell of it (though I like the 5 Star insert better).
Posted Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:06 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
How old? I have a variety of casino chips from Vegas that are Paulson. The JB's are pretty much spot on when compared to those.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
Posted Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:03 pm GMT by trogdoraoeu
I wonder why the weight of the final chips was heavier than the weight of the sample chips.
Posted Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:17 pm GMT by adidino
| trogdoraoeu wrote: | | I wonder why the weight of the final chips was heavier than the weight of the sample chips. |
Good question! Samples are samples.. so who knows. I'm curious to see the final product of the Paulson stock chips.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:31 am GMT by tbecentral
| trogdoraoeu wrote: | | I wonder why the weight of the final chips was heavier than the weight of the sample chips. |
Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review. He bought a hell of a lot of chips (al least $70,000 worth), so he needs to move them. Im sure they are nice, but a better rating than the Vineyards with full graphic inlays that are different color on each denomination to compliment the chip color with the full TH&C mold?? Hard to believe.
The New JB Paulsons are not selling like hotcakes on ebay. I am very skeptical, and hope anyone that orders them at least get a sample of them before you buy a few hundred. I know that i am.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:04 am GMT by circlencircle
| tbecentral wrote: | | trogdoraoeu wrote: | | I wonder why the weight of the final chips was heavier than the weight of the sample chips. |
Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review. |
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:25 am GMT by mkultra
| tbecentral wrote: | | trogdoraoeu wrote: | | I wonder why the weight of the final chips was heavier than the weight of the sample chips. |
Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review. He bought a hell of a lot of chips (al least $70,000 worth), so he needs to move them. Im sure they are nice, but a better rating than the Vineyards with full graphic inlays that are different color on each denomination to compliment the chip color with the full TH&C mold?? Hard to believe.
The New JB Paulsons are not selling like hotcakes on ebay. I am very skeptical, and hope anyone that orders them at least get a sample of them before you buy a few hundred. I know that i am. |
Why so angry?
Are you (worried) Mr Endy of Blue Chip or a rep with (ever behind in production) pokerchips.com?
Vineyards are ok but the colors and denoms suck as well as the price....crystal park are much cooler imho
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:44 am GMT by trogdoraoeu
| tbecentral wrote: | Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review.
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I always wonder what goes on behind the scenes as well. In this case I think the review is relatively fair (even though there's now a apachepokerchips banner ad on pokerchipreviews.com) when compared to his other clay chip reviews. It seems like the rating consistently takes into account the price, and the price for the Vineyards was much much higher. He gave the Nevada Jacks a 9.0/9.5/9.5 and they weigh around 9 grams and cost more (although the NJ edgespots are more interesting). Also, much to his credit, paulsonchips is saying great things about these even though he's not selling them and it appears counter to his interest.
I would still like to hear the scoop on why trademarkpoker.com had the link to the apachepokerchips.com isthmus' (many say trademark is owned by 5star). It sounds like 5star may be the middle-man between apache and Paulson (is that confirmed?) so I guess maybe dice figured apache would buy more through them if they helped him out?
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:24 am GMT by Mechanic
for the 100th time, trademark is the wholesaler that is distributing to apache...........there is no secret CIA plot... call Trademark and they will share this info with you...
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:41 am GMT by trogdoraoeu
| Mechanic wrote: | | for the 100th time, trademark is the wholesaler that is distributing to apache...........there is no secret CIA plot... call Trademark and they will share this info with you... |
I'm fine with "wholesaler" instead of "middle-man".................still seems strange though.............and yet more dots......
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:01 pm GMT by tomb1
| tbecentral wrote: | | Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review. |
Come on guys... John at pokerchipreviews is an honest guy doing all of us a favor. He's been doing it for a long time entirely on his nickel. Let's cut him some slack and not accuse him of doing reviews for payola.
And I'm not talking about his reviews (I don't agree with them all) but about his integrity. He says he's never been paid for a review and I believe him. He's bought samples before to share reviews with us, but if he gets a few free chips to review now, that's no problem for me.
As far as the blogads that recently started appearing on his site, I'm sure he makes a few bucks on those to offset his costs, but not enough to get rich by a long shot. All the time before, he was spending his own money so we could go to his web site for free.
Let's give the man some respect and hope we're lucky enough that he keeps doing this for us.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:06 pm GMT by PocketRocket
Ignorance is bliss and the catalyst to Internet conspiracy theories 
As you may have read here, Trademark Services is a distributor.
It's also no secret that Trademark Services also sells direct to the public under a couple of web sites. You'll find those under the names of 5stardeal.com and pokerchipshopping.com. Contrary to one post here that you may have seen here about Trademark being a distributor/wholesaler to 5stardeal, they're actually all the same company. It's not unusual for companies or even retail businesses to have one name for brick and mortar business and operate a web business under an entirely different name.
As for your 'conspiracy' connection ... it's not unusual for a manufacturer or distributor to offer promotional consideration or market development funds (co-op advertising funds) to their customers (the retailers who buy fromt he manufacturer or distributor for resale.)
| trogdoraoeu wrote: | | Mechanic wrote: | | for the 100th time, trademark is the wholesaler that is distributing to apache...........there is no secret CIA plot... call Trademark and they will share this info with you... |
I'm fine with "wholesaler" instead of "middle-man".................still seems strange though.............and yet more dots...... |
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:26 pm GMT by Mechanic
| tomb1 wrote: | | tbecentral wrote: | | Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review. |
Come on guys... John at pokerchipreviews is an honest guy doing all of us a favor. He's been doing it for a long time entirely on his nickel. Let's cut him some slack and not accuse him of doing reviews for payola.
And I'm not talking about his reviews (I don't agree with them all) but about his integrity. He says he's never been paid for a review and I believe him. He's bought samples before to share reviews with us, but if he gets a few free chips to review now, that's no problem for me.
As far as the blogads that recently started appearing on his site, I'm sure he makes a few bucks on those to offset his costs, but not enough to get rich by a long shot. All the time before, he was spending his own money so we could go to his web site for free.
Let's give the man some respect and hope we're lucky enough that he keeps doing this for us. |
Well said.......
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:42 pm GMT by tastic
I agree...not just for the sake of jumping on the bandwagon, but rather to tell all of those people who take the time from their work, families (and poker games!) to make this information available and those who are thinking about it or just starting out that the LARGE majority of the e-public greatly appreciates the effort and learns alot from them too...
Please continue the great service to the poker community...and turn a deaf ear to those plainly cynical...
I was ready to get gouged on ebay for plastic 11.5s when I first became interested in poker and forums like this one and reviewers like john enlightened me and so many others about the muddled use of the word clay, and things that cannot be noted from pics and websites...they certainly help a complete beginner with little experience handling casino chips get a comprehensive crash course in a short time, round their choices down wrt which samples to buy, and then make an informed decision.
Sorry for being so verbose...bottom line...the majority of us appreciate the work involved...
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:45 pm GMT by circlencircle
| tomb1 wrote: |
Let's give the man some respect and hope we're lucky enough that he keeps doing this for us. |
You're absolutely right.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:02 pm GMT by trogdoraoeu
| PocketRocket wrote: | As for your 'conspiracy' connection ...
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From where are you quoting 'conspiracy'? I assume yourself, since you're the only one who'd previously used the word in this thread.
I too appreciate his reviews and, in fact, defended them above. I'm glad he's getting some money for his efforts.
Several people have raised the question of the trademark ad I mentioned. Since this forum is partly about comparing chips, discussing where to buy them from, sorting through the bs that most chip retailers would like to feed us, and figuring out the best group buy, I don't think these types of questions are harmful. Maybe the Paulson group buy should attempt to talk directly to trademark.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:49 pm GMT by Mechanic
"Maybe the Paulson group buy should attempt to talk directly to trademark." -Trog
Trog,
I called Trademark the day I learned about these. They will tell you that you can get the Isthmus ones at apache and 5startdeal (their other half).....they will also tell you that they will handle your order direct from Paulson and put your design on it IF you place a minmum order of 100,000 chips (if memory serves).....
Since that is not an option the choices remain apache or 5stardeal. They actually split a bulk order of 250,000 (again if memory serves) and are NOT competing against one another on price point.
Trademarks has on thier site that they will be selling another design some time in March at 1.25/chip. So the best option seems to remain the group buy from Apache....
Hope this helps....
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:08 pm GMT by trogdoraoeu
| Mechanic wrote: | I called Trademark the day I learned about these. They will tell you that you can get the Isthmus ones at apache and 5startdeal
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You can get the Isthmus paulsons at 5stardeal, really? All I can find at 5stardeal.com is the old bluechip Isthmuses.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:33 pm GMT by Mechanic
| trogdoraoeu wrote: | | You can get the Isthmus paulsons at 5stardeal, really? All I can find at 5stardeal.com is the old bluechip Isthmuses. |
When I called....they told me you could but I don't see them there now. I remember specifically because I called apache and told him 5star had an online coupon (which they still do). I asked him if I preordered whether he would match that price (-25%).
He confirmed that he and 5stardeal were not competing (they did their own "group buy") and that the coupon would not apply to these chips. Maybe they decided to sell em all them Apache I dunno....
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:09 pm GMT by trogdoraoeu
| Mechanic wrote: | Maybe they decided to sell em all them Apache I dunno....
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Hmm, or maybe they confused them with the bluechip Isthmuses. I've called a coulple of times and the lady seems very nice, but not all that in-the-loop about chips.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:30 pm GMT by tbecentral
Maybe he is on the up & up, but I am just expressing my opinion. And to say he has been doing it (chip reviews) for a while, well I am going by how long that website has been up and the "Who Is" registration says 09/2004 and there is no name listed. That doesn't seem like a while. Maybe he has talked in the forums before that site went up, I dont know and I'm sure someone will let me know.
I would think his review was 100% legit, but having the apache banner ad just ruins it for me. All that I am saying is just get a sample set for yourselfs before you spend a few hundred dollars on someone else's word.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:55 pm GMT by tomb1
I appreciate your opinion, tbecentral, and I totally agree with what you said -- always get samples. If John takes ads then he opens himself up to potential criticism from people who don't trust that.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:12 pm GMT by tbecentral
Thank you for seeing my point of view. And I do not down anyones response that is opposing mine. Thats why we have this forum...for discussion.
Now if we can just get a 100,000 chip order together so we can get a custom grand inlay! LOL
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:26 pm GMT by Mechanic
| tbecentral wrote: | Maybe he is on the up & up, but I am just expressing my opinion. And to say he has been doing it (chip reviews) for a while, well I am going by how long that website has been up and the "Who Is" registration says 09/2004 and there is no name listed. That doesn't seem like a while. Maybe he has talked in the forums before that site went up, I dont know and I'm sure someone will let me know.
I would think his review was 100% legit, but having the apache banner ad just ruins it for me. All that I am saying is just get a sample set for yourselfs before you spend a few hundred dollars on someone else's word. |
With out sounding like a smart a**, who should he be able to get for a sponsor....other than a poker chip related company? Should he approach Toyota and hope they put a banner on his site? There is a potential conflict there but he has established his credibility why not buffer some of the costs with an ad? The only way to not run into this is completely banner free....and keep paying out of his pocket.
I, for one, am not going to expect him to do that especially since I can order samples to verify his claims.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:07 pm GMT by duma
| Mechanic wrote: | | for the 100th time, trademark is the wholesaler that is distributing to apache...........there is no secret CIA plot... call Trademark and they will share this info with you... |
In that case, i will just wait for 5star to star selling them then i can eliminate the middle man and save myself alot of money.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:12 pm GMT by duma
| tbecentral wrote: | Thank you for seeing my point of view. And I do not down anyones response that is opposing mine. Thats why we have this forum...for discussion.
Now if we can just get a 100,000 chip order together so we can get a custom grand inlay! LOL |
so what exactly is the price for 100k chips? anything more than 55-60 cents a chip would be a complete ripoff.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:19 pm GMT by duma
| Mechanic wrote: |
Trademarks has on thier site that they will be selling another design some time in March at 1.25/chip. So the best option seems to remain the group buy from Apache.... |
1.25 is the retail price and we all know that 5star will always lower thier prices off of the retail. everything on their website has a retail price and then an "Our Price" that is significantly cheaper.
For example, Blue Chip bonds on 5 star:
Retail: $1.25
Our Price: $0.89
After 25% off: $0.67
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:28 pm GMT by Mechanic
| duma wrote: | 1.25 is the retail price and we all know that 5star will always lower thier prices off of the retail. everything on their website has a retail price and then an "Our Price" that is significantly cheaper.
For example, Blue Chip bonds on 5 star:
Retail: $1.25
Our Price: $0.89
After 25% off: $0.67 |
They probably did that so they could lower it to the same price as apache and do the "our price" marketing thing. I really dunno...just sharing info I got by calling apache and trademark. I would encourage anyone interested to call them because it was over a month ago and there may be more updated information. Here is trademark's page w/ all the info:
http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:29 pm GMT by Mechanic
| duma wrote: | | In that case, i will just wait for 5star to star selling them then i can eliminate the middle man and save myself alot of money. |
You logic is sound...it was my plan til I was told they shared a large order and are not competing on the prices 
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:34 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
Wow...spend a day away and look what I miss!
As far as the review goes, I genuinely think that the new Paulsons are the best ***currently made*** consumer chip I've personally handled. As far as the banner ad goes, Apache Chips paid for that ad.
Why is there a weight difference between the Paulson Samples and Paulson JB's??? I have no idea. Pretty wierd if you ask me, especially since it's such an obvious difference.
If you want to know the honest truth, I spend about 10 hours a week working on the site, including answering between 2 to 10 emails an evening from folks. I'm been maintaining it now for about 9 months. In all that time, I've made well less than $700 in cash and poker related items. Not exactly a great return! But, it's a lot of fun, and I'm averaging between 900 to 1200 page downloads and 20,000 - 30,000 hits per day!...which is pretty cool. I do want to stress that my reviews are my opinion only. I've had offers to give good reviews for $$$$ and I have turned those offers down. Scout's honor.
Look forward to all you visiting again! Plastic Chips and Egyption Chip Set going up today or tomorrow.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:49 pm GMT by vai777
Just curious, POKERCHIPREVIEWS. What is the best home market chip you have ever handled. Excluding retired casino chips.
How do the new bonds compare to the old bonds
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:26 pm GMT by trogdoraoeu
| vai777 wrote: | Just curious, POKERCHIPREVIEWS. What is the best home market chip you have ever handled. Excluding retired casino chips.
How do the new bonds compare to the old bonds |
Also, how much money did the old (Paulson) bonds go for? They were still being sold in 2003, correct?
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:29 pm GMT by Dick Danger
| tbecentral wrote: | Maybe he is on the up & up, but I am just expressing my opinion. And to say he has been doing it (chip reviews) for a while, well I am going by how long that website has been up and the "Who Is" registration says 09/2004 and there is no name listed. That doesn't seem like a while. Maybe he has talked in the forums before that site went up, I dont know and I'm sure someone will let me know.
I would think his review was 100% legit, but having the apache banner ad just ruins it for me. All that I am saying is just get a sample set for yourselfs before you spend a few hundred dollars on someone else's word. |
His registrar is acting as a proxy. As for the ad, I'd bet he would be willing to listen if you offered to cover his bandwidth costs.
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:49 pm GMT by pokerchipreviews
Vai:
I don't have a favorite. How about a 'top 3' in no particular order? TR Kings, Paulson James Bonds and Matsui Decal.
I have never handled the old Paulson JB, but the new Paulson JB's smoke the Blue Chip JB's in pretty much every way.
Trog:
Don't know. I'm sure others here can help out.
I've had a few emails asking how I could rate the new Paulson JB's higher than the Vineyards. The answer is that I am not a big fan of the full graphic on any poker chip. My own taste/opinion. That's why the Vineyards get a slightly lower score on looks. But then again, that's why the site has pictures...because looks is by far the most subjective of the measurements.
Cheers,
John
www.pokerchipreviews.com
Posted Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:11 pm GMT by JHile31
Personally, I agree with rating the looks of the new JB higher than the Vineyards. The advantage the Vineyards have is the variety of edge spots for each donom. Other than that I think the appearance and brightness of the colors are in favor of the JB. I don't even think the inlay looks bad anymore...
Posted Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:36 pm GMT by cmnova04
if i may say something on this matter, i received paulson samples of the new james bond. these are great chips. i have paulsons from mohegan sun, binions, and foxwoods that i compared them too and the sound is EXACTLY the same. the weight is great, not as full feeling as the real casino paulsons, but good enough that you wont notice once you start playing with them consistently.
the small inlay is a little weird, but the edgespots are so great that it doesnt matter!
the chips that are comparable to this are the martini clubs or nevada jacks, but quite simply they dont look as brilliant and the sound... well it doesnt come close. cant explain what it is really.
personally i think the JB inlay is cheesy on whatever its on. I am waiting for trademarks design, but i may end up with the JBs anyway because that design can look really strange too.
as for comparing them to vineyards.. i dont see the point. ive never held a vineyard, but why would i want to? personally nothing is better than my mohegan chips, i like the look and feel of them the most. how could they be any different than vineyards (which look hideous to me...)
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:29 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
| tomb1 wrote: | | tbecentral wrote: | | Great question. We don't know if Dice702 paid or gave a set a chips away for that excellent review. |
Come on guys... John at pokerchipreviews is an honest guy doing all of us a favor. He's been doing it for a long time entirely on his nickel. Let's cut him some slack and not accuse him of doing reviews for payola.
And I'm not talking about his reviews (I don't agree with them all) but about his integrity. He says he's never been paid for a review and I believe him. He's bought samples before to share reviews with us, but if he gets a few free chips to review now, that's no problem for me.
As far as the blogads that recently started appearing on his site, I'm sure he makes a few bucks on those to offset his costs, but not enough to get rich by a long shot. All the time before, he was spending his own money so we could go to his web site for free.
Let's give the man some respect and hope we're lucky enough that he keeps doing this for us. |
I agree.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:30 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
quote="trogdoraoeu" | tbecentral wrote: |
I would still like to hear the scoop on why trademarkpoker.com had the link to the apachepokerchips.com isthmus' (many say trademark is owned by 5star). It sounds like 5star may be the middle-man between apache and Paulson (is that confirmed?) so I guess maybe dice figured apache would buy more through them if they helped him out? |
Trademark and 5star is the same company AS OF NOW. However, they are in the process of becoming 2 legal identities. Why? I dont know......
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:34 pm GMT by PaulsonChips
| MeridianFC wrote: | | Just curious if you have any older Paulson and if so how you'd compare them. I have 1K old school TH&C but they're only hot stamped and am thinking about getting a set of these for the hell of it (though I like the 5 Star insert better). |
The ORIGINAL Paulson Isthmus chips have a heavier clunk to them when shuffled, this is because of the classic mold. There is more clay to come into contact to make that extra heavier sound.
The NEW 2005 Isthmus chips sound a tad bit lighter, but heavier than the Bluechip of course.
For the money right now, I believe that these are the BEST chips you can get for the homegame. (If you can get over the looks, its really not that bad in person, the pics dont do it justice.)
Posted Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:14 am GMT by yeltzen
All I can say is that he has an ad for Nevada Jacks but gives their chips fairly average ratings. So I don't think there's some conspiracy. I'm sure the 10+++++++++++++ rating has a little to do with the hype and allure of the Paulson name. However, I'm also sure the chip is very good, despite the fact that I would never ever even consider buying them, regardless of the price.
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