Another interesting hand, would you have layed this down? |
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Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:34 am GMT by ReRaIsE
Another hand from Foxwoods this weekend:
I have A  J  from the BB
Player 1 raises to $40
Player 2 calls
I call
Flop comes J  6 4
I bet out $100
Player 1 folds
Player 2 Calls
Turn is 3
I bet out $200
Player 2 calls ( I'm getting nervous about a set, but like my draw so I continue)
River is 2
I bet out $200 not expecting a call, instead he pushes me in for $4500, which is 10X what I've invested in the pot.
I nearly called quickly but caught myself to examine the flop and saw that the 5 would complete a straight flush.
I deliberated and decided to fold, showing the A
He later told me he had it, as he left the table. Many players said they couldn't have layed it down and I was berated by one guy for it, but I felt that the size of the pot was not worth the call.
What do you guys think?
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Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:03 pm GMT by JimTheBullet
Nice play I say. He made a huge overbet so you have to ask why. Not knowing the kind of player the other guy was I can't comment on whether it was obvious / semi obvious / merely possible / improbable that he had the straight flush but if you fancy yourself as a better player than your opponent then it seems sensible to let that go for the relatively small investment up to that point.
I posted a hand on this forum months ago where I played a similar hand and didn't see the danger. I made the flush with the ace in hand and my opponent had a straight flush using both his hole cards. Slightly different and, I suppose, slightly harder to lay down since he was using both his hole cards. Anyway, it knocked me out of the tournament but I always see the danger now.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:16 pm GMT by badvb750
You are a better man then I am. I would have called and then bitched about how stupid I was for calling. But, I am thinking he might have had KKs or QQs and then made the flush. Quess you will never know.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:40 pm GMT by NickFlynn
I think I call here.
Your bet on the river was about 1/4 the pot. I think the huge overbet is much more indicative of a non-nut flush or some other hand.
If I had the straight flush, I'd really want a call here. The only possible way you are going to call that bet is if you have the Ace high flush and he has no reason to suspect that you do, given the size of your bets. The giant re-raise just isn't callable by most of the hands he can put you on.
Unless the player is just a complete jackass, I'd make the call.
- Nick
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:28 pm GMT by howzit
I guess if he really had the nuts on the turn, the smooth call would make sense. But what other hands would call that pot-sized bet on teh turn? a suited king? 5-5?
Given the betting pattern, I'd lean towards calling. It'd help if you gave the player's description.
How big was your stack before the hand? is this 5-10NL?
Curious, i hear the Foxwoods game has an uncapped buy-in? which game is uncapped?
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:43 pm GMT by ReRaIsE
5/5 is uncapped. At that point I had a little over 4K, from which I started at $1100.
I can see the argument for calling. I really wanted to, but it didn't seem worth it at the time.
Also I had NO read on this player, he had just sat down maybe 10-20 hands earlier.
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:23 pm GMT by gol4pro
I think I probably call, but I have little live experience. You have to ask yourself why would he have the 5s first off. I find it unlikely he's holding this card in a raised pot, given the way he has played the hand.
Then, why would he bet 10x the pot with a straight flush?! But as I examine the fact that I have 4x the buy in, and that I lose 4k if I'm wrong, I consider folding.
Then I probably ask him if he has it. Depending on his response/lack there of, he might give you a tell.
And through all this I think I call, about 65% sure that he doesn't have it, and hand him 4k in chips.
Posted Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:17 pm GMT by ReRaIsE
I did ask him if he had it. He replied very smoothly "I don't know what you are talking about."
He didn't sound the least bit surprised or taken aback by my question, to which I took to mean that if it was a bluff, it wasn't as the A high but that he represented I had the A and he had the 5.
I don't wish for a second I called. He actually got up to leave shortly after, I think he was disturbed I hadn't called after I showed the A.
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