Ddirty Trick? Or Legitimate play? |
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Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:21 am GMT by Gravely_ill
Players A B C D E are in a no limit game. Player A raises prior to the Flop. Players B C D fold. Player E calls. The Flop Falls. Player A makes a reasonable Bet. Player E Raises with an "All In."
Here is the Meat of this situation....Player A Stalls thinking of what to do, Call or Fold. With out moving any chips, player A Lays his Cards down on the table showing to Player E. Depending on Expression in Player E's emotions Player A states that he Calls or Folds.
What are your thoughts on this situation, and is the hand dead automatically when the cards are shown? If there is any info related to this situation in any other rule, please state it as well.
Thanks.
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Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:30 am GMT by Idaho
Depends on the house rule about exposing cards. In my house exposing cards before showdown is not allowed and would count as a fold.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:05 am GMT by Haps
There is no standard rule. Some places it's a dead hand some places it's live.
Now would be a good time to add a line to your house rules about this.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:47 pm GMT by BigSlugger09
What I do, and what I think is best is that when this situation comes up, just allow Player A to flip the cards before making his decision. It really doesn't affect the hand at all because, well, Player E can just look away before the cards are flipped and Player A doesnt get the reaction he is looking for and has gained nothing and everyone gets to see what he is playing and what he does with the cards hes holding.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:11 pm GMT by Harald Eia
| BigSlugger09 wrote: | | What I do, and what I think is best is that when this situation comes up, just allow Player A to flip the cards before making his decision. It really doesn't affect the hand at all because, well, Player E can just look away before the cards are flipped and Player A doesnt get the reaction he is looking for and has gained nothing and everyone gets to see what he is playing and what he does with the cards hes holding. |
if playewr A is gonna flip his card im sure he wont announce it, and if someone did it to me i would probbably be caugth by suprise. i dont know if i would give a reaction which would help player A, but it could easyly happen.
Posted Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:17 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
Easiest thing is to make revealing your hand a fold.
Posted Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:31 pm GMT by BigSlugger09
| Harald Eia wrote: | | BigSlugger09 wrote: | | What I do, and what I think is best is that when this situation comes up, just allow Player A to flip the cards before making his decision. It really doesn't affect the hand at all because, well, Player E can just look away before the cards are flipped and Player A doesnt get the reaction he is looking for and has gained nothing and everyone gets to see what he is playing and what he does with the cards hes holding. |
if playewr A is gonna flip his card im sure he wont announce it, and if someone did it to me i would probbably be caugth by suprise. i dont know if i would give a reaction which would help player A, but it could easyly happen. |
Well if you make it a rule that you can do it ahead of time, I bet you will be expecting it. I know I am. Just about everytime I go allin, people are flipping over their cards at me. I just ignore them.
Posted Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:40 pm GMT by alderon
i play in a tourney league in the midwest (im from MO), and at least there if a player were to flip the cards like that it would be considered a dead hand or a fold. either way the other would take the chips. now if they flip it and the person with the other hand says "ok so anyway, you calling or not" then they could keep playing, but according to there actual rules the person showing there cards is done.
Posted Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:39 pm GMT by BeerWench13
In tournament play the hand is dead. In ring play, it's depends on house rules. In most of our local home games, it is a legal play. My hubby does it all the time. It drives me crazy, but hey, it's legal and there's nothing wrong with gaining an extra edge. I'm not sure the casino rule on this. I'll ask next week while I'm up there.
Posted Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:37 pm GMT by Ensano
i feel that this type of play falls into the same category of discussing your hand openly with other players who have folded... in super system doyle brunson talks about using this play to get more information on you opponent.. but just because professionals use it doesn't make it ok to do in home games.. i'd say just make a rule about the hand being dead if shown..
Posted Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:01 pm GMT by CardPlayer55
I love it when i am heads up and the other guy lays his cards down. All i do is say the i have the nuts. Say something like "Full House" "Strait" or "Flush". Then when they say i didn't call, tell them bullcrap. Then get into a small argument but not a big one and then say "whatever" and take the money afther they fold. You can do this the opposite way when you have the nuts. Say something like "I got nothing."
Posted Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:12 pm GMT by BeerWench13
My hubby has only exposed his cards to get a read off of me once. I looked him in the eye and just said "Sweet!" and smiled. He folded. Then I flipped over my cards and showed him my bluff. He's never done it again.
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