Posted Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:51 pm GMT by drclouse
I play no limit texas hold'em with some friends once a week. We have had a question on who has to show their cards. The example that we are at odds with is as follows:
Player one: K 2
Player two: folded
Player three: folded
Player four (dealer): Q 8
The 5 community cards are J 3 K 7 6.
Player one shows his K and says he has a pair of Kings, but does not show his 2. Player four can not beat the pair of Kings so he mucks his hand. The other players at the table tell player one that he needs to show his other card. He claims that he doesn't need to show it because the 2 has no bearing on his highest 5 card hand since it is lower than any card on the board. The rest of the other players claim that he has to show his other card since they want to know what he stayed in on.
Every site that I have visited that has the rules on it states that during the showdown, the first person must show their "cards." I understand that means both cards must be shown. Am I and the other players correct? Or is player one allowed to show only one card.
Thank you for your time and help.
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Posted Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:53 pm GMT by Keany
He should just have to show his best five. If his kicker isn't one of his best 5, he shouldn't have to call. Besides, if your friends knew it was either a 5, 4, or a 2, so why should they really care?
Posted Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:00 pm GMT by snoogins47
| Keany wrote: | | He should just have to show his best five. If his kicker isn't one of his best 5, he shouldn't have to call. Besides, if your friends knew it was either a 5, 4, or a 2, so why should they really care? |
It's really up to the house/other players. If showing one key card is enough to be certain the other player is beat, it hardly matters, but just discuss it before it happens.
I believe in most places, the opponent who said the kings were good and mucked would have the right to request his opponent show the other card, but it doesn't matter hardly at all.
Posted Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:58 pm GMT by drclouse
What if the player in question's other card had been an ace? Should he have to show it, even though it has no bearing on who wins the pot? Might thought was yes, since I want to know what hand (2 cards) he was playing. What are your thoughts?
Posted Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:37 pm GMT by MasterShake
Foxwoods will make you show your other card if someone asks. It's part of the 'show one show all rule' that makes you show the table your hand if you show one other player.
Posted Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:45 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
Any player who was dealt into the hand has the right to see all and any cards which were in play at showdown.
To use your example, Player 2 may may request to see the cards of both Player One and Player Four if he wishes
Posted Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:39 pm GMT by arras
Playing in biloxi, i flipped the card over that won me the hand, but the dealer made me flip the other one without any players asking. I did it for the same reason, my other card was junk.
Posted Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:19 pm GMT by BeerWench13
In order to win the hand, you have to show both of your cards. You cannot win without showing both. Even if your second card does not come into play, you must show both cards to win the hand. Now, if the loser had an A and wanted to show just one card or no one called for the showdown then the player has the option to just show one card if he chooses. In a casino (at least those that I have played in) one MUST show both cards to win the hand. I've seen players try to take down pots by just showing their top pair, and the dealer insist that they must show their other card to take the pot.
Posted Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:32 pm GMT by QuietOne
I agree with BeerWench13. By calling another players bet, you are paying to see his cards. I've called small bets on the river figuring I was going to lose just to see the other guys cards.
Posted Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:46 pm GMT by Fat Tony
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | In order to win the hand, you have to show both of your cards. You cannot win without showing both. Even if your second card does not come into play, you must show both cards to win the hand. Now, if the loser had an A and wanted to show just one card or no one called for the showdown then the player has the option to just show one card if he chooses. In a casino (at least those that I have played in) one MUST show both cards to win the hand. I've seen players try to take down pots by just showing their top pair, and the dealer insist that they must show their other card to take the pot. |
this is the correct answer. 8)
Posted Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:40 am GMT by R Deckard
Yeah, what if the unshown card was the "How to Play Texas Hold 'em" card? Or a Joker? Or the "other" 3 ?
Posted Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:06 am GMT by JohnnyCache
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | Any player who was dealt into the hand has the right to see all and any cards which were in play at showdown.
To use your example, Player 2 may may request to see the cards of both Player One and Player Four if he wishes |
So all those places that let you muck blind when you lose are doing it wrong?
Posted Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:41 am GMT by galderon
Emphasis mine:
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | Any player who was dealt into the hand has the right to see all and any cards which were in play at showdown. |
I think "has the right" is too strong of wording. It's considered polite to show your hand at the showdown rather than muck them when asked, but it's considered rude to ask too often. I think it's a rule to try to curb collusion. Still, once your cards are in the muck, no one can see them.
Posted Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:05 am GMT by JohnnyCache
yeah, otherwise, wouldn't anybody who won a hand in a showdown ask to see the cards of everyone who showed down? Wouldn't UB not have that 'auto muck' button?
Posted Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:18 am GMT by galderon
| JohnnyCache wrote: | | yeah, otherwise, wouldn't anybody who won a hand in a showdown ask to see the cards of everyone who showed down? Wouldn't UB not have that 'auto muck' button? |
I don't play online (for real money, anyway), but from what I've seen, online you have an option to view the hand history, and from there, you can see everyone's mucked cards, but only if you were present at the showdown. That's probably what webmaster was talking about. It's sort of the equivalent of asking at a live game to see mucked cards at the showdown...it's not automatic, but you can view them with a little extra effort.
My perspective is from a home game, so I sometimes forget the online perspective, but that's what the original post was referring to. 
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:16 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | By calling another players bet, you are paying to see his cards. I've called small bets on the river figuring I was going to lose just to see the other guys cards. |
I've done the same. Sometimes it's worth that $2 on the river just to see what the other guy has been playing.
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