Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:31 pm GMT by badvb750
I was in a MTT just after the break with the blinds 75/150. I had an average stack and just got moved to a new table.
I am on the button with K  J  and everyone folds to me, so I raise to 300.
SB raises to 450
I call
Flop 8  J 2
SB bets 600
I raise all-in: he calls
He has AA of course, I don't improve and am knocked out the tourney.
I thought he was on flush draw or had over cards, amost likely both (A K ). I figured a call does nothing and my only play was folding of raising big to push him off his draw. I quess I should have folded, since there is just so many ways I could have been beat on that hand. He could have had a set, an over pair or a straight flush draw. This is my biggest leak in NL hold'em these marginal situtations. I either overplay my hand or play it to weakly. Any advice?
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Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:49 pm GMT by Dave B
How many chips did you have? If you had room to reraise, I would do that 1st. I dont mind risking my tourney on top pair, K kicker heads up, but if I have room to buy more info, I think that is the better play.
One of the hardest things to overcome is the urge to put someone on a hand that they might reasonably have that you can beat instead of a hand that is just as reasonable that you cannot.
How often do you see people call you down w/ medium pocket pairs when you have an overpair or top pair? People always want to assume that you have AK instead of KK.
Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:17 pm GMT by badvb750
You are right Dave, I was thinking the same thing after I posted. I should have just raised him, since I had a healthy stack about 3k (not a dominating one). A raise would have been good defense against a semi-bluff. However if he raised all-in, I should have dumped and run. And, I would still have about 2k in chips.
Posted Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:52 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Your initial pre flop raise was fine by me but after he re raised u maybe u should have heard an alarm bell ringing.
With a 600 bet after the flop I dont think I go all in here. It sounds like u still had enough chips to continue in the game pretty comfortably for a while so I think maybe u should have given your opponent some respect on this occasion and laid down your hand. I know that aint easy to do with top pair K kicker but the real question is should u risk your entire stack on this hand?
The flush draw itself would have sewn doubt in my mind and also he could have hit a set.
Anyway, I don't think your play makes u a moron, i've seen far worse and in fact have played hands far worse myself. At the end of the day u might still have won...
Posted Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:36 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
You won't meet a lot of people losing tournaments because they are too tight 
Sometimes you have to listen to the voice - tell yourself you're just going to let him hold them for a second. Hell, tell him that - sometimes people have a sense of humor about a good one-liner.
Posted Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:43 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Ugh, the old KJ trap... personally, I think this is one of the worst good-looking hands in poker because Jacks don't always win, Kings tend to get outkicked by a Q or A, and the flush is very hard to come by. Not being connected, straight possibilities go down as well. KJ is the classic trap hand, because you often hit top pair and still lose the hand. I've learned to muck this in early position, and usually play fairly slow unless I hit two pair somewhere along the way.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:54 am GMT by snoogins47
Firstly, I would say that the preflop minimum raise is no goot. Such a small raise gives you hardly any fold equity.
AcKc is one of the only hands that he could logically be on that you're ahead of when the action is to you on the flop, and he's not going to fold it to a push, and he probably shouldn't. He'll fold an unimproved AK or AQ here, but those hands don't seem very likely, I think you're seeing a big pair a lot more often than overcards.
The stacks are too short at this point to really get too cute here. Even a minimum raise is going to tie you to the pot (a min raise would leave you with what, ~1400?). You have to decide whether or not you think you're making money by pushing there, and I don't necessarily think you are against an unknown.
A very important factor here: if you're behind, you're typically significantly behind. If you're ahead and get called, you almost certainly don't have a significant edge (AcKc is in pretty good shape actually). Without a read on the opponent in question, I think you have to just fold this and move on.
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