Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:12 pm GMT by titans4ever
I am new to no limit holdem and am playing in a freeze out tourney with starting stacks of 1500 chips. Blinds are 50/100. Get pocket 10's on the button. 4 people limp in so I raise to 300 to try and narrow the field. One person calls and has me on chips about 4000:1200.
Flop comes 4 5 9 rainbow.
He checks, I raise 500. He looks at me and says "You're not buying this one and reraises me to go all in (another 400)."
I put him on an ace, # or a mid pair that did not trip up on the flop. I think he is just using his chip lead to push me out so I call.
He shows K 3
turn 6
river 7
gets me with the straight.
Should I have bet the hand different? Or just layed down on the reraise and keep my last 400 since I was on the button and live for another day.
My other question is this a normal play for the chip leader of the table to be that agressive and take more risks to take more people out and win pots by becoming the bully? He had been tight until he doubled up a couple of hands before this one.
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Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:24 pm GMT by racquet000
It waws the right play he just got lucky. You couldnt fold after your bet. I would have put him on a better hand then that. But i dont think he was expecting you to fold after you were that commited...
Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:03 pm GMT by Jauron
The play was correct, as was the call, screw the 400 left. It just looked funny because you were on the button and raised and then followed up on the flop, where unless you had a bigger pair (as you did) you could not have improved. He was probably just trying to get you to lay it down, but he can't call 500, he has to raise or fold there. He choose to raise.
It's tough, but what can you do?
Posted Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:04 pm GMT by howzit
| titans4ever wrote: | | My other question is this a normal play for the chip leader of the table to be that agressive and take more risks to take more people out and win pots by becoming the bully? He had been tight until he doubled up a couple of hands before this one. |
This sounds about right.
He picked an awful time to do it though. You're pot-committed and w/a great read on your OP so, yeah, he screwed up.
Posted Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:39 am GMT by Soup_dog
If I get a sizeable chip lead I will often call smaller stacks with so-so starting hands just to try and drive them out. On the other hand, IMO he wasn't THAT far ahead of you in chips. If he doubles you up then you will be about even with him. With a K3 in that position I would have let you have the pot.
He just got lucky
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:06 pm GMT by gol4pro
A) Raise more preflop. Into 5 limpers on the button with a very vulnerable hand, 3xBB isn't going to do Jack shit. I'm just being honest. 5xBB min. if you're going to raise at all. Into limpers and on the button however, TT is a fairly strong hand but very vulnerable.
B) Did he bet the flop? If he did, you should be all in right then and there with your overpair. If not, push for your stack of 1200 on a pot that I'm guessing was about 1200. 500 for the next card is simply too cheap for the next card with a very vulnerable overpair.
C) This is an easy call, as you already have 2/3 of your stack committed, and you're likely ahead anyway.
D) Add this fish to your buddy list.
I like the end result, I just think you played a little too passively.
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:38 pm GMT by titans4ever
Thanks for the info and advice. I am just now getting use to pushing all-in on the flop or turn to protect my hand. It is a learning experience learning how to buy or take the pot when you have the best hand and not let more cards be seen that can chop you at the knees.
After taking your advice and just becoming more aggressive in my style I have been doing lots better. I won a 27 person freeze out format no limit tourney last night.
Definitely will keep asking questions here to improve my game.
Thanks again
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:20 pm GMT by 1988 TR
With big blinds and limpers, I would have pushed all in pre flop. If not pre flop, certainly on the flop.
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:45 pm GMT by howzit
| 1988 TR wrote: | | With big blinds and limpers, I would have pushed all in pre flop. If not pre flop, certainly on the flop. |
preach.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:30 pm GMT by Bleedingshrimp
I don't believe anyone can blame you for the content of your decision. I may or may not have done the same in that context however. The goal of a tournament is to stay alive and make the final table. That said, I may fold pocket aces pre-flop in an all-in situation early on in a tournament. Despite the fact that I will always have the advantage in any race with that hand, being sucked out on by one of the wreckless players who are so prevalent early on in tournaments is what we call "teh suck"! The fact that I made the proper play doesn't pay the bills nor make the ride home less lonely. So again, it would all depend on what stage the tourney was in, what my table image was, and my opponent.
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