Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:34 pm GMT by Geno
PokerStars Game #1355505098: Tournament #5986336, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/03/14 - 14:50:44 (ET)
Table '5986336 44' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: nocheckibet (1100 in chips)
Seat 2: chris_8221 (2887 in chips)
Seat 3: softail69 (1235 in chips)
Seat 4: sbnorfl (1540 in chips)
Seat 5: GenoTHP (2545 in chips)
Seat 6: AKH8R (554 in chips)
Seat 7: xtqshuners (3126 in chips)
Seat 8: Miloman (2135 in chips)
Seat 9: xxBLIZZxx (3553 in chips)
Miloman: posts small blind 15
xxBLIZZxx: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GenoTHP  
nocheckibet: calls 30
chris_8221: calls 30
softail69: calls 30
sbnorfl: folds
GenoTHP: raises 120 to 150
AKH8R: calls 150
xtqshuners: folds
Miloman: calls 135
xxBLIZZxx: calls 120
nocheckibet: calls 120
chris_8221: calls 120
softail69: calls 120
*** FLOP ***   
Miloman: checks
xxBLIZZxx: checks
nocheckibet: checks
chris_8221: checks
softail69: checks
GenoTHP: ???
What would you do given that there are 6 callers of a 5xBB raise pre-flop but an innocuous looking flop?
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Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:42 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I think I'd bet out about 700, and be ready to throw the hand away at any big resistance. Two pair is possible, as is a set, but more likely you're up against a straight draw or a single pair.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:26 pm GMT by fiezk
I fail to see how six players would have the cards to call a 5xBB raise. The odds are still that noone made the set/2-pair, I'd go for a raise for about 500-700, depending on how loose the play is.
The blinds are low, you'd still sit pretty comfortable if you lost this one.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:17 pm GMT by Jauron
That is nasty as hell.
You are probably still ahead, can't give the free card, can't tell where you are.
I bet the pot or near it,800-1000 hope like hell it gets folded, if it gets smooth called, I'm looking to check it down unless I improve, if I get reraised, it's a tough spot to be in.
You probably get called by 8X, maybe even the straight draw sticks with you. A set probably check raises, 2 pair would be an ass to play it like that, when you make two pair with connectors you always give somebody a straight draw, they can't afford the check raise.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:21 pm GMT by Geno
| Jauron wrote: | That is nasty as hell.
You are probably still ahead, can't give the free card, can't tell where you are.
I bet the pot or near it,800-1000 hope like hell it gets folded, if it gets smooth called, I'm looking to check it down unless I improve, if I get reraised, it's a tough spot to be in.
You probably get called by 8X, maybe even the straight draw sticks with you. A set probably check raises, 2 pair would be an ass to play it like that, when you make two pair with connectors you always give somebody a straight draw, they can't afford the check raise. |
Ok, I'll give - after carefully considering all that, I decided the best option was to simply go all-in. Only a set or a dumbass on a draw was gonna call me I figured in which case I'd either crash out or hopefully double up. I had to try and kill the pot and it was big enough to be worth risking all my chips. Luckily, everyone folded even after two requested time and I consider it a good play and a potential bullet dodged.
I'm not sure with the 'bet 500 or 700' type of comments - people who don't understand pot odds will simply call this down whereas chucking in 2300 odd chips makes even an idiot think. Granted, pushing all-in gathers me no information but I considered it the best option at that point in time.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:55 pm GMT by Skribbles
I would have raised more pre-flop. Still early in the tourny so had you bet our 500-600 pre-flop you would have most likely still got 1 or 2 callers and then you would like to think that they would be sitting on high cards or pockets.
I do agree with your all-in post flop.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:02 pm GMT by fiezk
| Quote: | | I'm not sure with the 'bet 500 or 700' type of comments - people who don't understand pot odds will simply call this down whereas chucking in 2300 odd chips makes even an idiot think. Granted, pushing all-in gathers me no information but I considered it the best option at that point in time. |
You might be right. It depends on the personality of your opponents.
The point with that lower raise, imho, is that it would expose the set/two-pairs without having to put all your chips on the line.
You would probably get one or two callers, and thus risking that they draw you out. But there's also the risk of someone slowplaying a set.
Posted Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:27 pm GMT by Jauron
The problem with the set mentality is you can't put someone on the set unless you've played with them long enough to know. Betting small will only induce calls from a wider range of hands. If you bet the pot a check raise there can mean 2 pair from an idiot who doesn't understand the hands he should fear have more reason to call, or the straight draw semibluffing once you force the issue.
If you are willing to go down with the hand, it's a good move. Frankly the only thing can call is 2 pair (and that is a gutsy call), a set or a stubborn as hell straight draw and even that has to be the top end so they have overs in case they miss. And you aren't giving the straight draw the odds he needs, he is risking his stack on a draw when he knows he's beat, and from the follow up, badly.
Pushing here isn't a bad play, this isn't about dodging the set, it's about giving yourself the chance to win the hand. Betting the pot or pushing are really your only two moves here unless you want to see the turn for free, and unless you hit you are in the exact same spot or worse, if a 7,10, or J come, you have to dump the hand.
I like the move, even if you are wrong you give yourself a chance to win, but moving all in is tough, you have to be willing to be wrong.
Posted Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:50 am GMT by howzit
You're not behind and if you are, you're crushed.
Bet pot. . .. next hand.
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