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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:41 am GMT by Tim Davis
Hello everyone, I am still trying to work out the understanding of the NL blind system. The group I have played with for so many years have always used the "anti" system. This is quite an easy format to follow, however, for the longest time We have discussed going to the blind system and there is still quite a bit of debate on how this works. mainly after the blinds that have been posted.
The easy part, the one that all agrees on is how the blinds post, the problem is when the first player who is bidding after the blinds.
During preflop phase of betting, lets say the bets are 10/20.
Blinds have been posted, now its up to the player under the gun.
In this phase, are they allowed to open up with any desired bid since it is no limit? as long as it is equal or greater than the posted minimum? or are they allowed to only call/raise/fold the BB in the preflop phase.
Example 1:
SB 5
BB 10
UG 50 <-- this is where the debate is since being NL game
4th call
5th call
6th call
SB call (with 45)
BB call with 40)
Example 2:
SB 5
BB 10
UG 20 (raise)
4th 30 (raise)
5th call
6th call
SB 40 (raise)
BB call (30)
UG call (20)
4th call (10)
5th fold
6th fold
which of the two would be correct in a NL tournament?
Phase 2-4:
This seems to be the most easiest of the phases, since there are no more blinds being posted and everyone seems to aggree here that the bets are open as long as they meet the minimum requirements:
flop 10 min
turn and river 20 min
This question is posed since We have used the rule where all raises are equal to the established bid (bid 50 all raises are done in increments of 50, no more than 3 per phase)
Thanks in advance.
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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:40 am GMT by Always_Bored
both your examples are correct. The UTG player can raise his entire stack or the minimum which is the blind. No one is ever limited on how much they can bet (except by the size of their stack). If its your turn to act you can go all in. But you always have to bet at least the minimum which is either the blind or the bet to you. If he bets 50 you have to raise minimum 90. he raised the blind by 40 so you would have to raise him by 40.
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:19 pm GMT by Tim Davis
Great, thanks for the reply.
So its no different than following the blinds as if you were using the anti system.
the only difference, in second phase it would be SB opening bid rather than 3rd player.
again thanks for the responce, now I can print this :)
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:28 pm GMT by golddog
By "anti" I assume you mean "ante". There is a difference between using them and blinds.
Blinds are actually bets; that's why they must be called. Antes are not bets, they go in the pot before blinds, and everyone must pay them.
In later rounds of tournaments, it's quite common to introduce antes as a way of forcing shorter stacks to take action. Then, as rounds go on, both the antes and the blinds increase.
I'd recommend using the blind system, if for no other reason than that's what the rest of the planet uses. If you ever find yourself in a casino or other game, you'll be comfortable with the action.
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:01 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| golddog wrote: | By "anti" I assume you mean "ante". There is a difference between using them and blinds.
Blinds are actually bets; that's why they must be called. Antes are not bets, they go in the pot before blinds, and everyone must pay them.
In later rounds of tournaments, it's quite common to introduce antes as a way of forcing shorter stacks to take action. Then, as rounds go on, both the antes and the blinds increase.
I'd recommend using the blind system, if for no other reason than that's what the rest of the planet uses. If you ever find yourself in a casino or other game, you'll be comfortable with the action. |
he is refering to his Ante system i believe. Not the one your talking about. In his game its kind of like everyone posting the BB.
Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:05 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| Tim Davis wrote: |
the only difference, in second phase it would be SB opening bid rather than 3rd player. |
exactly. And he can open with whatever he wants to bet, or he can check. Or fold if he really wants to wtih no bet to him.
Also i noticed that you upped the minimum bet on the turn and river. Most places I play do not do that. You are more than welcome to in your home game but i know personally I like it better when just the big blind is the minimum bet in any unraised pot.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:56 am GMT by Tim Davis
thanks for the posts everyone. This has been a geat help, and the group I play with says thanks as well.
We ran a some mock hands tonight just so everyone could get the feel for the blind system.
with everyone understanding now how the blinds work, they are starting to feel a bit more comfortable.
On that note, I like to share the deal I hit upon today :).
I have been playing with a small set of composite chips (dice design ... yeah yeah I know, but got them a couple xmas ago for like 75 bux at walmart and thats all they had were the dice)
anyway, this year, the walmart had the 300 set with case, blah blah blah for 60 bux.
Well, walmart here was clearing out the last of their inventory, which included the chips... and boy did I snag a bargan. the 300 sets were reduced to 15 bux each.
My greedy butt took advantage of the deal, and bought 12 sets. two hundred dollars netted Me a nice 3200 extra chips.
the only down side of this though is, the sets only included 200 white, 200 red 50 blue and 50 black.
so ontop of the set I already have 150 white 100 red 50 blue 100 green 100 black I now have an additional 1200 white, 1200 red (over kill on red and white) 600 blue and 600 blacks.
but even so, 200 bux for just the blues/blacks 1200 pieces is a pretty good snag, I think anyways.
sure there is the debate about the composites, vs clay. but I think we can all agree they are better than those plastic hoyals LOL. and for home games, not to bad.
just one question though, anyone want some dice. 12 sets times 5 dice .... I have 60. but I dont play D&D anymore lol
again thanks for the assistance.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:39 am GMT by Always_Bored
For 15 bucks you cant really go wrong.
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