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Posted Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:14 pm GMT by krakajak
MTT, blinds 25-50. I've been at the same table the whole tourney, and have only seen 3 flops. A few hands before, I raised pf with 99 and got called by the button and big blind. Flop was Q, rag, rag. I bet 300, and folded to BB's all-in check-raise. So I'm down to 750 chips, and my table image is weak/tight.
I get KTs in mid/late position, and raise 1st in to 150. BB raises it 300 more. It's either a coin-flip or I'm behind, but I only have 600 chips anyway, so if I fold here, I'm going to have to survive with a small stack and an extremely wimpy table image. What do I do?
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Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:45 am GMT by Jauron
Fold it, you have 600 left. I assume the blinds are not that bad yet. I'm guessing they are only at 25/50 now. Fold fold fold.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:51 am GMT by Always_Bored
Wait for a hand and play it aggressively. Just start forcing them to make decisions. If you want to win your are going to need chips and if every time you get resistance youa re going to fold they are going to keep up the resistance. You have to shed that weak table image and show them you are not going to be messed with. The only problem is that doing this may eliminate you, but i can assure you folding to everyones raise everytime will also eliminate you with less of a chance of winning.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:51 pm GMT by titans4ever
If you want to shed the weak image, reraise right there and make him decide if he has a hand worth playing by putting the pressure on him. You risk going out of the tourney right there on a 50/50 hand. The only hand that would kill you is pocket aces (220:1 odds he has them).
I would fold and wait for a better hand. It is one thing to fold preflop vs folding on the turn or river. I have sat for the first two hours of a tourney and only played one or two hands with those being BB. If you are not getting cards, there is not a whole lot you can do about it.
Table image is only part of the game. I think there is a fine line between the image of tight/aggressive and weak/agressive. I think it takes more than one or two folds on reraises for me to consider you a weak player.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:10 pm GMT by zeroswarm
I'm not sure how much the buy in cost was but if it wasn't that much I'm all in here. With K 10s you have a chance even if u happen to be behind. Besides, I hate having a weak table image. Either win the hand now and shed the image or lose and go play another tourney.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:28 pm GMT by Dakijeza
Use the weak table image to your advantage. You just need to decide when to do it. If you think the raiser is trying to bully you, go all-in right there. It will give him great pause because of your image.
If you think he's got a monster hand, fold, enhance that table image, and and use it to your advantage later. Find an opportunity to limp in with a big hand or use suited connectors that give you opportunities to ambush someone.
I don't mind the weak image for a while. If it pays off later.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:44 pm GMT by Bleedingshrimp
^^^^^Like he said. Table image is a double-edged sword. It should be more of a minor variable in an equation rather than the equation itself. What I mean to say is, try to get a feel for what weight the other players put on your table image. Going over the top with K-10 would certainly prove that your not passive, but only if they call you. If they fold, the fact that you re-raised in itself doesn't say thay you won't be pushed around. It may say to them that you happened to have the cards that one time. I would probably fold the hand, forget about what it looked like, question why I played the K-10 in the first place, and use your table image and small stack to get all-in when you have the best of it.
...what I would give for this kind of clarity when I am in the heat of the moment.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:31 pm GMT by Jauron
Moving all in with K10 because you have a weak image (if you do) is a horrible idea. You are more likely to be called by a wider range of hands after all. K10 is not a great hand to have to hold up, you are probably not even ahead.
I consider my table image but I don't let it dictate my play, a poor hand is still a poor hand after all. I certainly don't move in with marginal hands just to show them I'm here to stay in a tourney. If this is a live game you can do it, show them you are not to be messed with, but in a tourney you've got to pick a better spot.
Posted Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:46 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Just to qualify what I said, I would go all in here if the tourney buy in was low and only if it was low.
Obviously if the stakes are high then I would think twice.
Also K 10 suited isn't actually that bad a hand. I often try to see the flop with it though it isn't a hand I would normally raise big with.
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