Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:52 pm GMT by Vu
I am still deciding on which set to buy.  Such a difficult choice.
Which is a better chip overall if price is not an issue?
If the price is the same, which is a better buy?
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Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:57 pm GMT by circlencircle
| Vu wrote: | I am still deciding on which set to buy. Such a difficult choice.
Which is a better chip overall if price is not an issue?
If the price is the same, which is a better buy? |
Most people will say straight out that Paulson is better but really they are completely different chips, you should get samples and decide for yourself, they are just too different. I bought the new Paulsons myself though and Ten's are going to be even better if you ask me.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:10 pm GMT by yeltzen
NJ pros:
- Really well done and unique design; each chip has a different number of edgespots and color schemes.
- Extremely hard to damage.
- Much better looking mold; not a constant advertisement for the company.
NJ cons:
- Lighter than a true clay casino chips, though heavier than other Blue Chips.
- Don't sound as good as a Paulson, though if you've never handled a Paulson the sound of the NJ wouldn't bother you.
- A little too slick in my experience. They stack fine but when you bump them the stack tumbles easily.
Paulson pros:
- Sound like clay chips are supposed to sound.
- "Stickier" than NJs (although they are getting slicker and slicker the more I shuffle them)
- Correct weight; same as a casino chip.
- They're Paulsons.
Paulson cons:
- An endless list of design problems; small inlays, weird plastic coating over the inlay; ugly "PAULSON CHIPS" mold, all chips use the same edgespot scheme with different colors (unlike the original Paulson JBs which used a very cool and unique scheme).
- Colors rub off on each other way more than they should.
Overall, the Pualson CHIP itself is better than the NJ (Blue Chip co) chip in terms of sound and weight. If you played with them and had your eyes closed, there would be no contest. But, we all need to see our cards and chips, and there's too many design problems with the Paulsons for me to pick them over the NJs. The NJs are great chips. It's not like you're picking all design vs. all feel. You're picking very good feel and great design vs. good design and unbelievable feel.
In terms of handling, I think they both handle great. I love shuffling and stacking both of them.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:53 pm GMT by jojobinks
i mostly agree with yeltzen except:
i go jb. the feel issue is enough for me. NJ's are slick, and they don't get much better. the paulsons smooth out, but are still the stickiest of all my samples.
the weight and feel send me jb's way. the NJ's look fine, but they don't do it for me.
btw; the paulson mold doesn't bother me; at least no more than the fact that NJ's are a constant ad for NJ.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:55 pm GMT by R Deckard
Well, from breakbeat46's post in this thread it seems that there are other significant problems with the NJs: non-uniform thicknesses across denoms and "unflat" chips. These issues alone made the NJs a no-go in my book, esp. for "premium clay" prices. I took one look at that picture of the stacks and that killed the NJs for me. And "unflat" chips, wtf? Totally unacceptable, IMHO.
As for the Paulson "weird plastic coating over the inlay": what's so weird about having a thick layer of clear plastic over the inlay label to protect it? All casino Paulsons have the label protected like this. Or maybe you're talking about the shiny appearance of the clay between the label and the raised edge molding--if you rub this area firmly with the edge of the white chip, you'll see that the color is transferred to the white chip, proving that it is bare clay (and of course, "soft").
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:57 pm GMT by yeltzen
It would have been a shorter post if you just listed what you agreed with me on.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:06 pm GMT by bubbafry
I only have samples of the NJ clays, but I wonder about the quality control as well. The inlays look a little warped on my samples like this:
Also, the Paulson JB's don't look bad IMO (obviously subjective), and I'm also not sure what he's referring to about the "weird plastic". The colors don't really rub off on each other with shuffling (I don't see any color marks on any of my samples) but they definitely get much dirtier than the NJ clays. I agree with buying samples and seeing for yourself what you like best, since look and feel are so subjective. Keep in mind that the home Paulsons will have a new mold and design coming out in mid-April. You might want to wait till then to make a decision.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:16 pm GMT by ncskiier
yeah, just a little warped
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:16 pm GMT by yeltzen
My balls itch.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:53 pm GMT by breakbeat46
When the chips are on the table, you cant see the gap.
For me it comes down to the 'looks'. I really dont like the new paulson looks. I like differnet edgesopt colors and an appealing inlay design. If the new paulsons had those qualities then hands down I would buy them. For now its a PC/MAC PEPSI/COKE BUD/COORS debate where if you want a 'perfect' chip your gonna shell out big bucks for them, such as the retired paulson dunes chips.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:01 pm GMT by vai777
how many of the warped chips have you come across
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:09 pm GMT by breakbeat46
I wouldnt say they are 'warped'. It's more like they have more or less material in certain spots of the chp that make them 'uneven' when stacked. If you look at a 'warped' chip and layed it flat on a table you wouldnt be able to see any 'warping' . That is a pciture of 80 chips and only one is 'imperfect'. I dont care to check 500 chips for this. Besides when I'm playing I have other things to looks for rather than imperfections in my opppenents chip stack.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:14 pm GMT by breakbeat46
One other thing.
Another factor for me is how easy it would be to add or replace chips in my set. For instance I now want low den chips for cash games. I can now buy the .25/.50/1.00/5.00 nj clays that on sale. If I bought wonderful old paulsons, I would be pretty screwed if I wanted to get other den. The same goes for lost/broken/stolen chips.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:17 pm GMT by vai777
true its just odd that the chips would have a quality control prob like that, I mean inlays not being perfectly centered is one thing but chips that seem to have areas that are scalloped is crazy.
let hope the 500 that I ordered dont have too many with this prob
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:22 pm GMT by breakbeat46
Well thats the complaint about blue chip but I dont plan on collecting these chips or hoping they appreciate. I hope they are used and abused.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:29 pm GMT by vai777
you would figure that at the same price as paulson they would be of similar quality control standards.
Even though I must say the chips themselves are nearly indestructable
I cant say that for the much softer paulsons
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:32 pm GMT by yeltzen
| vai777 wrote: | | you would figure that at the same price as paulson they would be of similar quality control standards. |
Why do you think they're suddenly at $0.90/pc?
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:39 pm GMT by vai777
thats a point to consider but the jbs have thier draw backs as well there still isnt a perfect chip currently manufactured for the home game
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:41 pm GMT by yeltzen
The JBs are perfect I'm ordering a set tonight.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:43 pm GMT by vai777
dude which is it do you like the jbs or the njs I mean really now your worse than a presidential candidate.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:52 pm GMT by vai777
Nice time window.
Man I'm psyched about this.
I have a feeling they're going to sell a ton of these and they'll stay at this price level.
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you just said you were psyched about the njs sale
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:56 pm GMT by yeltzen
Hey, can't a fella change his mind 9 or 10 times?
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:57 pm GMT by vai777
I guess but all within 5 hours is a bit much
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:00 pm GMT by yeltzen
Now I'm starting to think the NB's are my favorite.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:01 pm GMT by yeltzen
Or maybe the JJs.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:04 pm GMT by vai777
so sad
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:20 pm GMT by yeltzen
| vai777 wrote: | | so sad |
Question for you: when you ordered your NJs, did you have to keep the demons in sets of 25, or could you order any amount you wanted?
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:49 pm GMT by bubbafry
| vai777 wrote: |
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Even though I must say the chips themselves are nearly indestructable
I cant say that for the much softer paulsons |
I'd agree with that. If you put the chips thru a torture test, the blue chips will probably survive longer than the Paulsons. Different people care about different things, but I'd much rather have worn down edges than this:
(pic originally posted by Ten on the other board)/img
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:07 pm GMT by Vu
Thanks guys/gals for the input.
I guess I will wait for the Ten's new Paulson. However, this will be one long wait.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:14 pm GMT by bubbafry
| Vu wrote: | Thanks guys/gals for the input.
I guess I will wait for the Ten's new Paulson. However, this will be one long wait. |
Do you know about the Trademark Paulsons? Might be a shorter wait, supposedly 4/19 but I heard they might push the date back again (complete hearsay, I have no credible sources).
Trademark's site
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:22 pm GMT by breakbeat46
| bubbafry wrote: |
I'd agree with that. If you put the chips thru a torture test, the blue chips will probably survive longer than the Paulsons. Different people care about different things, but I'd much rather have worn down edges than this:
(pic originally posted by Ten on the other board)/img |
YIKES, i know for a fact i do not have a chip like that.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:41 pm GMT by vai777
yeltzen I did not order any denomination outside of the 25 50 100 relm but im sure that you could if you wanted they say nothing about not being able to do it.
as for the warped chip picture that really shouls never have gotten past the retailer I mean when they put the sets together they should be able to notice something like that, That chips should have been pulled and replaced with a new chip.
Im sure that kind of stuff happens to paulson chips but im sure they get weeded out by thier quality control standards.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:23 pm GMT by loohoo1
Right from NJ's web site... This should say it all!!!
Nevada Jacks® chips are the most authentic CLAY CASINO CHIP on the market. This line features true casino color and edge spot designs on THE 'Nevada' casino mold... the same mold used in Vegas throughout the 60's and 70's.
These are the highest quality home game chips you can buy, bar none. Not even a used casino chip can rival this.
( This is a very interesting statement in that on one hand these are the "most authentic CLAY CASINO CHIP on the market" meaning that these are not casino chips but they are the best imposters that you can buy, Then they say "These are the highest quality home game chips you can buy, bar none. Not even a used casino chip can rival this" ( It's only getting better now, now they say that these casino poker chip imposters are BETTER than used casino chip in their statement "Not even a used casino chip can rival this." Unbelieveable!)
"NOTE: Making clay chips is a slow and labor intensive process. Unlike inexpensive composite chips, each clay chip may vary slightly from the next. While weight and size are consistent; the appearance of colors, edge spots and inlay placement may vary slightly. These chips are made to the highest casino specifications. Some buyers perceive this as a defect. This is just the characteristics of clay chips. If you are a perfectionist... purchase 7 cent Chinese imports. If you want Casino Quality... this is IT. There are NO exchanges for the above reasons. If returned, customer is responsible for all shipping and restocking fees."
This is how I read it:
Blah blah blah ....while weight and size are consistent (NO THEY ARE NOT!!!)....These chips are made to the highest casino specifications (No casino would accept these defective chips and no vendor would not exchange them)...Some buyers perceive this as a defect (Um, duh because they are defective, warped chips over stamped inlays underweight chips, marred or broken chips are defective not character)...This is just the characteristics of clay chips (Yes, I agree, the characteristics of defective chips which you should return to Blue Chip Co.)...If you are a perfectionist .. purchase 7 cent Chinese imports (Uh, wtf? If I want quality chips I should spend $.07 per chip and not your $.90? What kind of back assward logic is that?) If you want Casino Quality... this is IT. There are NO exchanges for the above reasons. If returned, customer is responsible for all shipping and restocking fees. ( Our NJ chips are of inconsistent quality and you should buy some other companies chips if that is what you are looking for.)
Could you imagine... Salesman: Sir here is your brand new Mercedes Benz S55 AMG. At $122,000, sir you are moving up in the world. Buyer: Excuse me but there are dents on the whole right side of the car and the left rear wheel is larger than the other three. Oh, and the driver door has a 6 inch gap between the front quarter pannel and the door. I can see right into the car. Salesman: I'm sorry sir but that is good old German character that is built into the car. If you don't want it we will take it back minus the 15% restocking fee ($18,300) and destinatinon ($720) for a total of $19,020) If you wanted perfection you should have bought a Kia
I would bet that Blue Chip Co. provides a certain percentage over NJ's order to compensate for irregularities, however, I bet that NJ is just selling these extra chips to inflate their bottom line. If that is the case then they don't care that they have a quality issue and their business will get swallowed as other chip co's pick up their customers.
IMHO
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:32 pm GMT by vai777
well i shall report on this topic when I recieve my 500 chip set, hopefully all will go well and there wont be any issues but the more I read the less faith I have.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:40 pm GMT by yeltzen
| loohoo1 wrote: | I would bet that Blue Chip Co. provides a certain percentage over NJ's order to compensate for irregularities, however, I bet that NJ is just selling these extra chips to inflate their bottom line. If that is the case then they don't care that they have a quality issue and their business will get swallowed as other chip co's pick up their customers.
IMHO |
Based on the replies to the original thread about NJ clays going on sale, and the new group buy attempt with Blue Chip... I don't think they're going anywhere.
I guarantee that if the person who had that Martini Club talked to NJ over the phone, they would replace that at no cost. That person probably bought a set of 500 MCs and had ONE chip like that. I have 125 sample chips of the NJ clays, and have no "uneven" chips and only one with a slightly off-center inlay. Hardly something worth jumping off a bridge over.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:04 pm GMT by loohoo1
| yeltzen wrote: | | loohoo1 wrote: | I would bet that Blue Chip Co. provides a certain percentage over NJ's order to compensate for irregularities, however, I bet that NJ is just selling these extra chips to inflate their bottom line. If that is the case then they don't care that they have a quality issue and their business will get swallowed as other chip co's pick up their customers.
IMHO |
Based on the replies to the original thread about NJ clays going on sale, and the new group buy attempt with Blue Chip... I don't think they're going anywhere.
I guarantee that if the person who had that Martini Club talked to NJ over the phone, they would replace that at no cost. That person probably bought a set of 500 MCs and had ONE chip like that. I have 125 sample chips of the NJ clays, and have no "uneven" chips and only one with a slightly off-center inlay. Hardly something worth jumping off a bridge over. |
Well everything made has the opportunity to have an occasional defect, however, in their "Note" it states that there are NO EXCHANGES. It's not that there are problems with the chips but how the company handles the problems. In this case they are deciding to give the finger to all those that buy their chips and have some problems with a few of them. The owner must be one of the brightest business minds ever... 
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:10 pm GMT by circlencircle
| loohoo1 wrote: |
Well everything made has the opportunity to have an occasional defect, however, in their "Note" it states that there are NO EXCHANGES. It's not that there are problems with the chips but how the company handles the problems. In this case they are deciding to give the finger to all those that buy their chips and have some problems with a few of them. The owner must be one of the brightest business minds ever... |
I would say there is a difference between trying to exchange a set of 500 chips verses saying “hey, would you replace this one -obviously- "F"ed up chip”.
Posted Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:11 pm GMT by vai777
im sure there would be an exception for a warped chip. that is not an inconsistancy that is a major flaw.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:20 am GMT by loohoo1
| vai777 wrote: | | im sure there would be an exception for a warped chip. that is not an inconsistancy that is a major flaw. |
I don't know about that... How do you interpret this:
"NOTE: Making clay chips is a slow and labor intensive process. Unlike inexpensive composite chips, each clay chip may vary slightly from the next. While weight and size are consistent; the appearance of colors, edge spots and inlay placement may vary slightly. These chips are made to the highest casino specifications. Some buyers perceive this as a defect. This is just the characteristics of clay chips. If you are a perfectionist... purchase 7 cent Chinese imports. If you want Casino Quality... this is IT. There are NO exchanges for the above reasons. If returned, customer is responsible for all shipping and restocking fees."
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:28 am GMT by circlencircle
| loohoo1 wrote: | I don't know about that... How do you interpret this:
"NOTE: Making clay chips is a slow and labor intensive process. Unlike inexpensive composite chips, each clay chip may vary slightly from the next. While weight and size are consistent; the appearance of colors, edge spots and inlay placement may vary slightly. These chips are made to the highest casino specifications. Some buyers perceive this as a defect. This is just the characteristics of clay chips. If you are a perfectionist... purchase 7 cent Chinese imports. If you want Casino Quality... this is IT. There are NO exchanges for the above reasons. If returned, customer is responsible for all shipping and restocking fees." |
"Slightly" is used a number of times. I interpret it as if it’s being written by someone who understands that most of the people who buy chips are under the grand illusion that they should look identical the way plastic chips do. What they are talking about with slight variations is the common things you find in true clay chips. If I got that warped chip I would have been on the phone same day expecting a new chip without incurring any additional fee. If they won’t exchange that chip and say its "normal" then that would be ridiculous and then we could all start bad mouthing them. Have they been contacted about that chip?
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:32 am GMT by yeltzen
Anyone getting the sense that Mike Endy murdered loohoo's family or something? Or was it Jim from NJs?
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:39 am GMT by bubbafry
quote="circlencircle" | loohoo1 wrote: |
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If they won’t exchange that chip and say its "normal" then that would be ridiculous and then we could all start bad mouthing them. Have they been contacted about that chip? |
That chip was a picture taken by Ten of one of his samples, I stole it from the other board. I doubt he contacted NJ to get it exchanged. I agree that they would and should replace that chip if it were part of a set (at least I hope so).
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:38 am GMT by R Deckard
But what do you think "they" would do if someone complained about all of his $25 chips being thinner than the others?
(The following is a fictitious account. Names have been changed to protect the innocent.)
Customer: Hello, Montana Ike's? Yes, all of my $25 chips are thinner than the rest--
MI's: Ahh, yes. The so-called "problem" with the thinner $25s, or as we like to call them, the "25 Slims". Yes, I believe those were made the day Pierre, the Lead Chip Artiste, was giddy with the fact that he had lost 25 pounds on Atkins and wanted to celebrate the occasion by creating a special run of thin $25 chips. . . or, uh. . . was that the day Blow Chip was running low on green clay. . .hmm. . . nevertheless, all were still up to highest casino specifications, of course.
Customer: But I really don't like the fact that twenty-six of my $25 chips stack as high as twenty-five of my others, and I would like to exchange--
MI's: Well, you see, that is. . .uh. . . a feature of a handmade chip. Don't even think of them as chips, think of them as the creative expression of a master craftsman! Each one is an unique work of art, and no two are alike! Heck, we really should have each chip signed and numbered, and we should sell them individually in galleries for the true collector, which you are obviously not!
Customer: Umm, oookaay. Sorry I asked.
MI's: The nerve!
*click*
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:34 am GMT by breakbeat46
Well i've had good customer service with NJ but I havent asked nor complained why my $25 chips are thinner than the rest. I'm satisfied with my purchase knowing that I most likely have the only set of NJ clays on island. they certainly beat the chips i first owned and now that they are on sale, are nicely priced in this over inflated market. I remember when I first was looking for a set. I recall in 2001 I was looking at $300 for a 500 dice chip set.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:41 am GMT by yeltzen
All I know is that I actually like this a little better than my NJ Dead Man ceramics, and that's really saying a lot. Besides, I never have many chips in front of me by the time we're halfway into a tournament, so it makes no difference to me if my chip stacks are the same size.
But, since the majority of the people on this board don't like them, I'm going to go with them since they're the smartest and most knowledgeable chip people there are.
God I hate this chips. I hope Blue Chip Co. and NJ catch on fire or something. Good riddance. Does Mr. Paul-son need a BJ?
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:34 am GMT by loohoo1
| yeltzen wrote: | | The JBs are perfect I'm ordering a set tonight. |
Well Yeltzen, I have 2000 of the NJ clays already and I'm fully aware and can testify to the problems that the others are talking about.
I thought you ordered JB's the other night? Which is it?
My contention is that I now see a message on their website saying that what people are experiencing are not defects but character. That's a load of crap! To top it off they dare to say NO EXCHANGES unless you want to pay shipping and restocking fees. Not a great policy to make exisiting and potential customers have faith in their product, a product that is very expensive.
Just my 2cts :D
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:42 am GMT by yeltzen
Well I'm taking your word for it and not buying them.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:15 am GMT by ClonexxSA
| loohoo1 wrote: | | yeltzen wrote: | | The JBs are perfect I'm ordering a set tonight. |
Well Yeltzen, I have 2000 of the NJ clays already and I'm fully aware and can testify to the problems that the others are talking about.
I thought you ordered JB's the other night? Which is it?
My contention is that I now see a message on their website saying that what people are experiencing are not defects but character. That's a load of crap! To top it off they dare to say NO EXCHANGES unless you want to pay shipping and restocking fees. Not a great policy to make exisiting and potential customers have faith in their product, a product that is very expensive.
Just my 2cts :D |
But you can NOT say it's a load of crap until you have actually contacted NJ, explained what your problem chips are and asked if they could be replaced.
Of the 2000 chips you have, how many are bad or have severe problems like warping? Have you even contacted NJ and asked them to replace any bad chips and gotten a response that they won't do it?
If you haven't then shut up already until you do as you have no idea what that statement on their website means. It could mean full sets, and not 25 chips out of 2000 that you may have bad that need replacement.
However, if you call them and they refuse to replace warped/cracked/bad chips from the factory, then you are fully 100% correct in saying it is a load of crap.
Speculating what they are going to say to you if you call about the thinner $25 chips or the warped chips is ridiculous. Call them and give them a chance to make good before you trash their name. If they don't make good, then you have every right to slam them.
And for the record, I do not own any NJs and only have an order in with pc.com for custom chips, so I have no interest in NJ clays whatsoever.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:11 am GMT by yeltzen
I dunno why he just doesn't sell them if he hates them so much. I'd buy 'em.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:15 am GMT by loohoo1
| ClonexxSA wrote: | | loohoo1 wrote: | | yeltzen wrote: | | The JBs are perfect I'm ordering a set tonight. |
Well Yeltzen, I have 2000 of the NJ clays already and I'm fully aware and can testify to the problems that the others are talking about.
I thought you ordered JB's the other night? Which is it?
My contention is that I now see a message on their website saying that what people are experiencing are not defects but character. That's a load of crap! To top it off they dare to say NO EXCHANGES unless you want to pay shipping and restocking fees. Not a great policy to make exisiting and potential customers have faith in their product, a product that is very expensive.
Just my 2cts :D |
But you can NOT say it's a load of crap until you have actually contacted NJ, explained what your problem chips are and asked if they could be replaced.
Of the 2000 chips you have, how many are bad or have severe problems like warping? Have you even contacted NJ and asked them to replace any bad chips and gotten a response that they won't do it?
If you haven't then shut up already until you do as you have no idea what that statement on their website means. It could mean full sets, and not 25 chips out of 2000 that you may have bad that need replacement.
However, if you call them and they refuse to replace warped/cracked/bad chips from the factory, then you are fully 100% correct in saying it is a load of crap.
Speculating what they are going to say to you if you call about the thinner $25 chips or the warped chips is ridiculous. Call them and give them a chance to make good before you trash their name. If they don't make good, then you have every right to slam them.
And for the record, I do not own any NJs and only have an order in with pc.com for custom chips, so I have no interest in NJ clays whatsoever. |
If you would re-read my statement what I was saying was that saying that defects are character is a load of crap.
Not that they won't do anything about it.
They very well may, but to put a message like that on the page where you are going to order from is not a good indication of their willingness to correct problems.
Unless you think that a statement like that tells you that "Oh, these guys are concerned about their product and will do everything they can to make/keep their customers happy."
As far as understanding what the message on their web site means, well, I'm college educated and am fluent in English. I don't need to call them to ask what "NO exchanges" means. In case you don't know:
no
Pronunciation: 'nO
Function: adverb
1 a chiefly Scottish : NOT b -- used as a function word to express the negative of an alternative choice or possibility
ex·change
Pronunciation: iks-'chAnj, 'eks-"
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
1 : the act of giving or taking one thing in return for another
What idiot would say to NJ that I have 20 chips out of 500 that are defective and I want a whole new set of 500? Is that what you would do? I guess so since you came up with that hypothesis.
I'm not trashing their name, I'm weighing in on the discussion between NJ Clays and the new Paulson JB chips. My statements are useful towards that end. Yours on the other hand do not add to the comparison. Your comments just defend a very poor statement made on their website.
If you don't even have any of their chips then you don't have a clue what any of us are talking about.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:21 am GMT by loohoo1
| yeltzen wrote: | | I dunno why he just doesn't sell them if he hates them so much. I'd buy 'em. |
Did I ever say that I hated my chips....
NOPE....
Not once....
As a matter of fact I like my chips a lot, however, that message that went up on their site irritates me and tells me that someone had an issue and reported it to them and they decided that in the future they would address any notification of defective chips as "character" and not a "defect" which tells me that they do not care that their customers are not happy with chips that don't meet a certain expectation.
So for future buyers of their product, this may be good information to know before deciding on theirs. Now, if I didn't own the chips that I have right now and I was in the market, I would never buy from a company who made a statement like that.
Especially since the chips are more expensive than the JB's.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:41 am GMT by ClonexxSA
That message on their website could very well be in response to a flood of mails/calls of people complaining about edge spots not being perfect, colors not being completely spot on with one another or slightly off center inlays and any other slew of slight variations in manufacturing that you see with true clay chips. What I am trying to tell you is that you have NO idea what "defects" means. If they are talking about the small crap I posted above then they are right in their statement. If they include warped/cracked/problematic chips in that statement then they are wrong. Do you know exactly what they mean?
Their response is if you don't want to see things like that, go buy the .07 cent chinese chips which are all perfectly like one another.
I don't believe they are talking about warped chips or chips with inferior quality issues.
"What idiot would say to NJ that I have 20 chips out of 500 that are defective and I want a whole new set of 500? Is that what you would do? I guess so since you came up with that hypothesis. "
You would be surprised how many people would do that. Would I? No, of course not. But to say that noone would ever do that is just plain ignorant of human nature and stupidity. So unless you have called them and asked them to qualify their statement on the webpage to mean that you can't even exchange 5 warped chips, then your argument has NO base in truth.
I don't feel it is a poor statement. I feel it is a blanket statement addressing what must be a large amount of calls about the little characteristics that make up clay chips normally and them being called "defects" by customers. I do not think it is in response to people asking for 10 chip replacements of warped/damaged/major problem chips.
BTW being college educated and fluent in English means pretty much nothing. I work for a school district, I speak to teachers with Masters in several subjects including English, and it surprises me that they manage to not kill themselves on a daily basis.
Education /= Intelligence or Comprehension
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:45 pm GMT by yeltzen
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1 a chiefly Scottish : NOT b -- used as a function word to express the negative of an alternative choice or possibility
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Wow, I didn't know we had a comedian on the board!!!
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:04 pm GMT by Vu
My English sucks. I was not born in this country. However, I think I know that "no exchange" means no exchange. In that case, there will be "no buy" from me. For the same price , I can get Ten's Paulson Chip...i.e, if he can get the plan through :D
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:06 pm GMT by R Deckard
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Wow, I didn't know we had a comedian on the board!!! |
Now that's the pot calling the kettle black! 
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:09 pm GMT by Always_Bored
I was just wondering if anyone knows of somewhere to get the Nevada Jacks Clays other than www.nevadajacks.net. I have a friend who wants to order them but Nevada Jacks doesnt ship to Canada.
Posted Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:34 pm GMT by jackblack73
| loohoo1 wrote: | Right from NJ's web site... This should say it all!!!
"NOTE: Making clay chips is a slow and labor intensive process. Unlike inexpensive composite chips, each clay chip may vary slightly from the next. While weight and size are consistent; the appearance of colors, edge spots and inlay placement may vary slightly. These chips are made to the highest casino specifications. Some buyers perceive this as a defect. This is just the characteristics of clay chips. If you are a perfectionist... purchase 7 cent Chinese imports. If you want Casino Quality... this is IT. There are NO exchanges for the above reasons. If returned, customer is responsible for all shipping and restocking fees."
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Your reading of this note is very poor. NJ claim that "There are NO exchanges for the above reasons," clearly refers to this statement: "the appearance of colors, edge spots and inlay placement may vary slightly." You're making a HUGE assumption by saying that NJ woudn't grant an exchange because of a warped chip, which is an obvious defect not included in their note.
Now, will NJ grant an exchange for a warped chip? I don't know. But it's poor logic to think they won't based solely on that note. For God's sake, just ask them.
Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:35 am GMT by Wooderson
| yeltzen wrote: | | It would have been a shorter post if you just listed what you agreed with me on. |
And it would have been a shorter thread. Yeltzen is to this thread what the tar-baby was to Brer Rabbit. Fly on Maggotbrain.
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