Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:32 am GMT by salt_bagel
Here is a hand that's killing me. I can predict what you might say, but I wanted to see if you had any constructive ideas anyway.
Online cash game:
Me dealt AJs in the BB
two MPs limp, button limps.
I raise 5x the BB.
Bad player/short stack calls, button (good player/big stack) reraises same amount.
I call, short stack calls.
Flop JT7 rainbow.
I bet the pot, both call.
Turn blank, I bet the pot, both call.
River a 6, no flushes on the board, I check (?!), short stack pushes all in, button raises all in (he barely has me covered). I fold.
Button shows QJ and takes the pot; short stack mucks.
Probably should have bet the river, but I feel like if I bet at the river, I will still get pushed in. Any thoughts?
Weak play? Outmaneuvered? Trouble hand to play? All of these? I'm no expert, just looking for some viewpoints.
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Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:57 am GMT by suitedaces84
What was the pot on the river in comparison to the call?
If it was really deep stacked and the button was a solid player I wouldn't have trouble letting this one go. Also betting the pot on the flop is good, betting the pot on the turn is a little much. You could easily be up against an overpair. Even if you're scared on the river it's a good idea to throw some chips out there to protect against bets like this. Betting the flop, and the turn, then checking the river is just asking a maniac to go all in.
To add: AJ is a trouble hand in a raised pot where you're not the one doing the raising. If the A hits you have to wonder about your kicker, if the J hits you have to worry about an overpair.
Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:12 am GMT by salt_bagel
The second all in bet was well over twice the pot up to that point.
The third player screwed me up on this, too. He could've had a straight, two pair, anything. It surprised me that a good player would call with one pair against a rotten player going all in on the river; I had to believe one of them had me. What was this guy reading from the short stack?
Going to the flop, I wasn't sure whether his preflop reraise was just protecting a mediocre hand. He had done that before with position. He was pretty aggressive, and might have done the same thing with lower connectors.
In the back of my mind, I felt that the reraise might be a sign of weakness, but then I changed my mind mid-stream. I thought the cold calls were strong, but in retrospect, I think he wasn't sure where he was. And I definitely gave an opening at the end, which is what I feel sickest about.
Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:44 am GMT by howzit
could you put in stack sizes and blind sizes?
Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:21 pm GMT by salt_bagel
$1/2 NL cash game; the other guy and I were big stacks at the table with about 600 and 570, respectively. Don't remember exactly the short stack's total, but he had probably 180 or so, cause a big chunk of his stack was in the pot already. And there were only 7 people at the table, if that makes much difference.
Posted Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:14 pm GMT by howzit
Pot-size control
When the stacks get this deep (over 200BB) learn how to control the size of pots.
I think I'd check-raise here, and then check the turn if I got called. Take it to the showdown.
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