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Posted Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:19 pm GMT by gol4pro
I get dealt A  A  in MP. 2 People limp in a fairly loose 1/2 NL game. I have 120$ in my stack. I raise 6xBB, Button and EP call.
Flop is 4  5 10
-- With red Aces, I'm not a real big fan of this flop. I consider just check/calling the idiots until the river, unless a 4th spade drops, then I'll dump it. But at the same time, with only 2 opponents, neither of them probably already has the flush.
I bet out 1/2 the pot (15$). Button cold calls, EP check min. raises. Uh oh. I'm not totally convinced that he has the flush yet.... so I call, my read being A T  . Button folds.
Turn is Q
-- Agh, why couldn't it have been a spade? He bets out 22$, or about 1/4 of the pot. Now I really think he's drawing, even though I know he might be value betting. I call.
River 3
-- Another blank. He bets 45$. Crap. does he have AT and a busted flush draw or does he have the A high flush? A low flush didn't really make sense because I raised so much preflop.
I'm also getting about 3:1 on a call at this point. I really don't have a great read either. I knew he could be value betting, and I knew he could be trying to pick up a big pot for cheap since I had been so weak.
I eventually called, and he flipped over A 2
Scale of 1-10, how bad was my play? I'd say about a 6.
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Posted Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:06 pm GMT by Iron Butt
Hey, I thought you liked to fold aces... oh, no, that's Snoogins :D
Yeah I dunno, I don't like to ride a pair that hard especially into a flush board in NL... but in limit, that's reasonably sound though right? I think the check raise would have done it for me though.
This is a situation where basing your play too much on pot odds can screw you I think. Wonder how good a read he had on you, he seemed to bet just what you'd call each round.
I give it a 7. 
Posted Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:36 am GMT by Jauron
Only because you asked, you know I respect you.
The check raise (if I read that right) would have told me he had me beat regardless, it takes a lot of balls to check raise there without at least 2 pair (not likely) or a set, and the balls on that fella are still pretty big. With no real draw and a board that has you hating your hand I think I fold them right there and move on. You are probably looking at worst a small flush, in this case since it was raised pot, this small flush is probably J or Q high. Because this guy called in EP, suited connectors are also not likely to me.
If he has As10c it's nearly a coinflip right there. I don't see how you can call this, you either have to raise or chuck it I think. You already know you are going to fold to another spade, if the board doesn't pair or give you an Ace on the turn, you are using one call to justify the next.
Once you called however, the pot did lay you enough to continue with your read, I just question the read, and wonder if it isn't what you WANTED him to have rather than what it was reasonable for him to have.
Overall I give it a 4. I think you talked yourself into a hand that wasn't reasonable. That said, it's something we've all done and Aces are hard as hell to lay down.
Posted Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:03 am GMT by howzit
your only good street was preflop. . .
check the flop. . .this only gives OP two streets to get the money in.
raise the turn if it's a small bet. . .give your chance to find out what your opponent really has.
50-50 between calling and folding the river. . . (the turn should help you decide)
Arguments about this line? BTW, would A 10 check-raise against the preflop raiser out of position on this board? Think about it. . .
good news is you got a great line/read on your opponent for the next time.
Posted Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:15 pm GMT by gol4pro
I think there's a lot of truth in what you guys said. I really was reading what I wanted him to have, instead of what I thought he had.
A much better course of action would have been checking the flop, and letting the button stab. Then when UTG reraises, I know I'm beat and fold.
Posted Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:34 pm GMT by howzit
trust your read, if you're wrong, go back and see why it was. . .
Posted Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:59 pm GMT by Jauron
| gol4pro wrote: | I think there's a lot of truth in what you guys said. I really was reading what I wanted him to have, instead of what I thought he had.
A much better course of action would have been checking the flop, and letting the button stab. Then when UTG reraises, I know I'm beat and fold. |
I think you were correct to lead out, more times than not you still take this pot down because nobody else likes their hand much either.
The reraise is what should have gotten you out, you are in a bad spot, you can't give somebody the free card and you are not sure where you are anymore. Best to bet I think most of the time and fold to aggression than to check and fold to any bet.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:34 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| howzit wrote: | your only good street was preflop. . .
check the flop. . .this only gives OP two streets to get the money in.
raise the turn if it's a small bet. . .give your chance to find out what your opponent really has.
50-50 between calling and folding the river. . . (the turn should help you decide)
Arguments about this line? BTW, would A 10 check-raise against the preflop raiser out of position on this board? Think about it. . .
good news is you got a great line/read on your opponent for the next time. |
Exactly right - I like your thinking.
I would check the flop. On the turn I would try to figure out what they had.... I might just lose a lot of chips on this one. 
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