calling raises in the BB with Ace rag |
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Posted Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:18 am GMT by krakajak
Turbo texas holdem advocates calling a raise in the BB with Ace rag. The theory, I suppose, is that you're getting atleast 3 to 1 to call, so it is worth it, in hopes that an ace flops and they have a pocket pair.
The thing is, if an ace flops and they have a big ace, you stand to lose quite a bit. So I'm not so sure that this is a good strategy.
I generally call with a suited ace or AT or better. I'm not sure that this is good either, since if I'm hoping they have a pocket pair, my kicker isn't going to matter. I mean, if an ace flops, A3 is just as good against KK as AT, and AT and A3 are equally dogs to AK.
So, what factors should I consider when deciding whether to call a raise in the BB with an ace?
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Posted Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:30 am GMT by suitedaces84
I like 'em if they're suited (as long as you know how to throw away top pair). If they're not suited you might as well have 4 Jo, you need to hit two pair to have any confidence.
Posted Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:44 am GMT by Dave B
I pretty much ignore my hand and look at the amount of action. If there is a lot of players in the pot and one bet to call, I want to see a flop. If I am heads up, I may see flop if I am strong (Ax-good enough for a flop, then suited connectors or better hands). My cut off is 3 callers, less than that, I lay down junk. More than that, I call no matter what.
You are right, from the blind you may lose even if you hit your Ace. But if you are just calling one bet each time, it really isnt that expensive.
Blinds are also the times when you can really win some big pots w/ junk and not lose much table cred. Call 85 flop A88-you can get paid and they wont complain one iota.
Posted Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:22 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Suited, maybe. But remember you will be in terrible position for the rest of the hand. Really, the proper way to look at blinds is to consider them sunken costs, but a lot of players see them as pot commitment, which is a really bad idea.
In limit, you need a hand to play from the big blind. A-x offsuit ain't gonna cut it. In no-limit you may be able to catch something on the flop or outplay the other guy, but you'll still be in bad position.
Also, I would recommend before you put in any more money on ANY marginal hand, blind or not, consider whether you will be the final bettor or if you're facing a reraise, because that can really cost you.
Posted Sun May 29, 2005 4:02 pm GMT by Jackal
To many people play horrible hands that end up costing a bundle from the blinds. I hold my hands in the blind to the same standards as any other hand in early position. I am not going to get involved with a pot that could cost my entire stack just because it's already 'paid for'
Just the other night I broke my own rules and played the K,5o from the BB. That hand put me out of the tournament. The flop was 5,K,2. I made a pot sized bet and was raised all in. I called the bet. On the turn a 7 fell on the river another 7. My opponent held K,Q and was more than happy to wish me good night.
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:13 pm GMT by Phil14312
| Jackal wrote: | To many people play horrible hands that end up costing a bundle from the blinds. I hold my hands in the blind to the same standards as any other hand in early position. I am not going to get involved with a pot that could cost my entire stack just because it's already 'paid for'
Just the other night I broke my own rules and played the K,5o from the BB. That hand put me out of the tournament. The flop was 5,K,2. I made a pot sized bet and was raised all in. I called the bet. On the turn a 7 fell on the river another 7. My opponent held K,Q and was more than happy to wish me good night. |
Isn't that the situation you want to be in when you come in from the BB with crap? I mean you were a significant favorite when all the chips went into the middle, who wouldn't want that? The results don't make this a bad play.
I think that the most important part of playing junk is you are able to lay down some mediocre hands with action in front of you. For instance, if you only made top pair with that hand you must be ready to lay it down to any resistance. I'm not saying you couldn't, just a specific warning that I always try to remember when playing crap.
But to the general question think about the pot odds, like Dave said, if there are more that three callers I will think about calling with a lot of hands (although the more callers the more Ace rag needs to hit two-pair or better), usually connectors and suited cards. If I'm in the BB and can close the betting for one bet with 5 callers in front of me...then calling is profitable with a wide range of hands.
Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:01 pm GMT by Loonbat
| Phil14312 wrote: |
If I'm in the BB and can close the betting for one bet with 5 callers in front of me...then calling is profitable with a wide range of hands. |
Here it is ... read and reread this quote until you understand why I play my rags in the raised BB. And then come try to take my chippies ...
-Loon
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