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Posted Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:53 pm GMT by slowrunner
Player next to dealer goes all in and loses. Who is the next dealer and what happens to small, big blind? Does the dealer chip continue around and next person in line get to skip there blind? Happens all the time and we end up getting into arguments. Can the Dealer also be little blind? Or is it always Dealer, little blind, big blind?
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Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:09 am GMT by galderon
| slowrunner wrote: | | Player next to dealer goes all in and loses. Who is the next dealer and what happens to small, big blind? Does the dealer chip continue around and next person in line get to skip there blind? Happens all the time and we end up getting into arguments. Can the Dealer also be little blind? Or is it always Dealer, little blind, big blind? |
Everyone plays this differently...you'll just have to pick a way and agree to it so there aren't arguments.
The way we play it this: The dealer always moves to the next person still in the hand, and the next two people are small and big blind as normal. In addition, anyone who skips a blind also posts blinds they've missed...which go directly into the pot...they don't count as their bet.
So if we have:
Player A (dealer)
Player B (small blind)
Player C (big blind)
Player D...etc...
And player B busts after this hand, the next hand is:
Player C (dealer, and also posts small blind directly into the pot)
Player D (small blind, and also posts big blind directly into the pot)
Player E (big blind)
So in your example, the new dealer would also post a small blind into the pot, but when the action comes around to them, it's as if they haven't bet anything at all.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:03 pm GMT by diceman
I can't remember where but I'm sure I read that the dealer button always moves to the next seat regardless. So if the small blind busts out, the button will then move to where they would be sitting if they were still in. After that hand the button can rotate as normal player to player.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:19 pm GMT by Geno
| galderon wrote: | | The way we play it this: The dealer always moves to the next person still in the hand, and the next two people are small and big blind as normal. In addition, anyone who skips a blind also posts blinds they've missed...which go directly into the pot...they don't count as their bet. |
That might well be the most unfair home game rule I have ever come across, you really need to address this issue 
I just wrote out a reply to the question at hand but reading a couple of other websites, it would appear that there are lots of rules and until I see this situation online again, I don't wanna suggest a method in case it is wrong!
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:39 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| Geno wrote: | | galderon wrote: | | The way we play it this: The dealer always moves to the next person still in the hand, and the next two people are small and big blind as normal. In addition, anyone who skips a blind also posts blinds they've missed...which go directly into the pot...they don't count as their bet. |
That might well be the most unfair home game rule I have ever come across, you really need to address this issue |
ya, thats pretty ruthless. So your saying small blind will have to post the full blind then post the small blind then still have to call another half of the blind to see the flop? wouldnt it just make more sense to have a dead small and make the guy you normally put to small blind as bb instead?
| Geno wrote: | | I just wrote out a reply to the question at hand but reading a couple of other websites, it would appear that there are lots of rules and until I see this situation online again, I don't wanna suggest a method in case it is wrong! |
Party poker does the following
Player A <--Button
Player B <--SB
Player C <--BB
Player D
Player C goes out the next hand will start like this...
Player A
Player B <--Button
Player D <--BB
then the next hand (which I dont like but this is how they do it)
Player A <--SB
Player B <--BB
Player D <--Button
Player A never posts a bb this round.
im just doing that from a vaguw memory so dont yell at me if im wrong, but i think thats how party poker works its SNG's
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:40 pm GMT by supafrey
In online tourneys, they just skip the person from my experience, and the next live human being gets the button. Online is a bit weird though, as they even have a habit of jumping around players from table to table, and putting them in the big blind twice or three times in a row at different spots (happened to me)...
In my home games, we just make it so that there's a "dead" dealer, and we put the button where it was always supposed to be for that round. That makes everyone that was going to play as small and big, actually put small and big for their turn. That's pretty fair, isn't it? And noone skips their blind, or does their blind twice... The same goes if a small/big blind gets knocked out, their blind is simply dead for that round.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:48 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| supafrey wrote: |
In my home games, we just make it so that there's a "dead" dealer, and we put the button where it was always supposed to be for that round. That makes everyone that was going to play as small and big, actually put small and big for their turn. That's pretty fair, isn't it? And noone skips their blind, or does their blind twice... The same goes if a small/big blind gets knocked out, their blind is simply dead for that round. |
thats how we do it too. No one misses a blind. Sometimes we have no small blind. But no one ever misses paying a blind. The problem is one player may be the last to act twice in a row.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:12 pm GMT by galderon
| Geno wrote: | | That might well be the most unfair home game rule I have ever come across, you really need to address this issue |
Really? I thought that was pretty standard, actually. Then I'm confused on what the preferred way is.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:14 pm GMT by galderon
| Always_Bored wrote: | | The problem is one player may be the last to act twice in a row. |
I'd say this is a bigger offense...the same person acting last twice in a row is a huge advantage.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:19 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| galderon wrote: | | I'd say this is a bigger offense...the same person acting last twice in a row is a huge advantage. |
It's the "dead button" rule, and it's the one I'm most accustomed to using.
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:43 pm GMT by galderon
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | It's the "dead button" rule, and it's the one I'm most accustomed to using. |
Yeah. I think the dead button rule is preferred for limit games, and moving button is preferred for no limit games. I don't recall where I read about my (apparently) crazy blind procedure, but upon further searching, I can't find anything that supports it, so maybe you guys are right...maybe I should abandon it! 
I think I'd prefer to use the moving button rule, but I don't really understand Robert's Rules take on it: "The button always moves forward to the next player and the blinds adjust accordingly. There may be more than one big blind. The moving button creates a situation where two big blinds may be posted on a deal, which speeds up the action."
How are you supposed to "adjust the blinds accordingly" and how could this result in two big blinds?
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:54 pm GMT by xhi
There are basically two methods from which one should be chosen before the game. Very simply there is the Dead Button rule and the Moving Button rule.
In the Dead Button rule importance is placed on insuring that each person pays his fair share of the blinds. So the button does not move until all appropriate blinds are paid ahead of it.
Moving Button rule makes the advantage of acting last the most important and moves the button no matter what. The simplest way is to just carry on as normal rather than figure out who owes extra small and Big blinds.
As with anything else in this game "IT ALL DEPENDS" on what you set up BEFORE playing. There is obviously more to having a home game than just having the chips and cards.
http://www.homepokertourney.com/button.htm has detailed information
Posted Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:09 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| galderon wrote: | | How are you supposed to "adjust the blinds accordingly" and how could this result in two big blinds? |
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Nevermind all that junk from before. The link that xhi posted explains it much better than my garbled attempt.
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