Posted Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:40 pm GMT by tame_deuces
We had a little home tourney a couple of weeks ago, and a situation arose that lead to this question. We had a new player with us who was dealing, it was down to 3 hands, and I'm understacked. I get dealt KK and quickly go all in just hoping to double up, BB quickly calls and flips up AA so all I can do is wait for the king. And indeed, the king hits on the turn.
However BB noticed that the dealer only burnt the first card, and did not burn before dealing the turn card. Iow. my king should indeed be a burn card.
The dealer said he always dealt like this, as it was an all-in situation he didn't see the need to burn more than the first card and then deal the entire board.
I just kept my mouth shut, I figured any opinion I had might have would be tainted. Besides I was still traumatized from seing those aces lie before my beautiful, beautiful kings. 
BB being a nice guy and all, just shrugged and said ok, and the game continued. But ofcourse, this is not a nice win for me. BB just lost his AA to what most likely was a wrongly dealt card, and it didnt help that I split the winnings with him later either, for in all fairness, I wouldnt have nothing to split if it wasnt for that king. So what are the common rules for a) Dealing an all-in like this b) What to do if the dealer deals wrong?
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Posted Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:01 pm GMT by supafrey
Burning a card isn't optional, it is a rule. In that situation, if everyone was willing to agree that the dealer hadn't actually burned a card yet, there's nothing you can do but burn that king, and deal the card after. One more burn for the river, and then you'll see who won.
In that situation, you would have lost 
Posted Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:56 pm GMT by deadmoney28
yup.. is a rule... you must be sure to tell new players about burn cards.. a lot of people overlook them and think they arent a big deal.. but as we see from your story they are a big deal
Posted Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:38 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
I consider it to be an anti-decksetting rule, and I don't think it matters if everyone is all in. BUT - If nobody noticed it till the end of a hand you were in? T-S. Too late, the hand stands. Either that, or it's a missdeal and all the money goes back to the bettors . . . before you call him a nice guy, ask yourself when he spotted the guy doing it and if he would have said anything if his aces didn't bounce :D `
Posted Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:02 am GMT by tame_deuces
| JohnnyCache wrote: | | I consider it to be an anti-decksetting rule, and I don't think it matters if everyone is all in. BUT - If nobody noticed it till the end of a hand you were in? T-S. Too late, the hand stands. Either that, or it's a missdeal and all the money goes back to the bettors . . . before you call him a nice guy, ask yourself when he spotted the guy doing it and if he would have said anything if his aces didn't bounce :D ` |
You know, he probably would not have said anything then :D
Posted Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:09 pm GMT by galderon
If you stop burning cards once everyone is all-in, then the community changes due to players' actions. 
If the king was noticed right away, it probably should have been treated like an exposed burn card. If it wasn't caught until the turn or later, it stands.
Posted Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:08 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| galderon wrote: | | If you stop burning cards once everyone is all-in, then the community changes due to players' actions. |
We don't do that, we always burn. This was just a visiting player who happened to put us in this situation, so I asked here to know if there is a 'standard' for handling situations like this, that could help with future errors, because needless to say winning this little tournament later had a sour aftertaste.
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